The difference is when it happens on a regular basis,for years, someone will get suspicious, someone will complain & someone else will squeal. If it's me, no, I will not or rather dare not do it(assuming I'm just faking an injury/illness), if I get caught, bye2 to career. Whoever high powers who instructed me to do it will wash their hands & still I am wrong for doing it - forever I will called cheater. Now, if I didnt do it, that would be considered heroic As discussed in the other threads, demoracy, invidualistic, consequences.
Whatever players have done, the truth will surface later . I like this post; Because whatever players have done, the truth will surface later - when players dare to speak out when they are no longer under their coach(es). However, 'cheating' might be too strong a word to use. Perhaps 'match-fixing/acting' is better to be used to describe their actions.
when lcw won ae 2010,ld fans said ld let lcw win a major when lcw beat ld in ae 2011,ld fans said since it wasn't a major,so ld dont take it seriously so in some way,i glad that lcw didnt beat ld in wc,if not,ld fans will say og will be the only major(and some so called greatest prize money tournament) let see what ld fans said if he win the ssmf this year
. Perhaps Lin Dan may not win the SSMF, but again give another Walkover. He is getting so well-known for it already. .
I think twobeer's point is that let's say that you are feeling even a slight discomfort... and it might jeopardize your chances for the next match up against a stronger opponent although you could possibly defeat your current opponent, which happens to come from the same country. He suggests that the person would give a walkover to let his team-mate advance in better condition so that his team-mate has a better chance and perform better than what the person himself can do. However, the main point is everyone carries some sort of discomfort in one place or another in any tournament. The doctors can just confirm that it is an injury (one toe? one finger?) and the person can give a walkover even for the most minor of all reasons. This is exactly what is happening now, and it doesn't help that Li Yongbo is clearly taking advantage of it.
I think you summed it up nicely.. And to add to that i do not "DEFEND" that it is "RIGHT" to do this.. Just that it is not that "EXTREME SCANDAL" and "DESTROYING THE SPORT" and such "DEEP IMORALITY" as some people make seem to make it out to be.
But When LD gives LCW an easy win fans are Happy.. If he gives a CHN-player an easy win fans are mad.. Pretty inconsistent reasoning
Change of keyword. LD to Lcw Lcw to LD CHN-player to MAS-player mad-curios Just for fun btw. No hard feelings.
. I cannot recall if Lin Dan has given a walkover to LCW before. But Lin Dan has given walkovers to teammates. .
Ohh. I thought the discussion was about playing your best effort and giving 100%. I dont see a big difference in WO and not putting max effort into it?
To give a walkover is giving no effort at all . I am not quite understanding this comment; "I don't see a big difference in WO and not putting max effort into it?". To me, to give a walkover is to give no effort at all. .
It may even be more effort.. to handle the media and fans afterwards, on a WO . What I meant is there has been major critisism about "fixed" matches that was played, accusing players of not "trying" their max. Giving WO is perhaps even more "honest" (at least for people placing bets and gambling on the matches) than to play best effort.
. OK. Have a read of this thread; http://www.badmintoncentral.com/for...ave-placed-a-bet-(money)-in-a-Badminton-match .
when?proof? the 1st sentence wasn't any proof while the 2nd sentence,yes so i dont know how u conclude in 3rd sentence? this post was pretty inconsistent and make no sense
Aahh, so then we are picky about "proof".. But when LD reports injury and cannot play we DONT NEED proof before passing judgement that it must be match fixing :-D cheers, T
I think we are in a mess because we are talking about different things . I think we are in a mess because we are talking about different things. To me; (1) Retired = Match played but stopped half way and a victory is awarded. (2) Walkover = No match played and a victory is awarded. (3) Match-fixing = Match played with a pre-determined result, violating the rules of the game and often the law. I think this thread is about (1) and (2). Let us leave (3) out. Although (1) and (2) are not considered as violating the rules/laws of the games when victory is given to teammates, I know some of us will suspect some foul/unfair play. When victory is given to non-teammates under (1) and (2), usually no one will say that it is 'unfair' play. .
I was once watched the MS final of 1997 WC, Sun Jun Vs Peter Rusmussen. Its was a Sun Jun who got injury in his tight but Sun Jun's never give- up attitude thats impressed me so much......obviously, the injury was a 'genuine' one, Sun Jun has to asked for medical several times and still insisted to play on despite the pain he has to suffer........thats the spirit of sport. People always said, we only remember the winner, no one cares about who is runner up but for me, Sun Jun's spirit impressed me and i still have the impression of how he played more than Peter Rusmussen's......in that match. Of course, this match was played not between team-mates la........LOL
If you do notice, that's his usual style.... hoping into many different (irrelevant) points and before long, everybody got so confused by it. Oh btw I am not referring to Jasonmarc haha.
