Is BAM going in the right direction?

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  1. pBmMalaysia

    pBmMalaysia Regular Member

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    less politicking in state/club level??
    you must be kidding lol :D
    most clubs are on their own
    the state association almost never gives
    but take the top players :D
    and this cost €£¥$RM ....
    coincidentally bam official needs votes
    so you figure out the rest, pal :p
     
  2. limsy

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    well
    politic is everywhere in sport association!
    i can tell u so because i in one of them:rolleyes:
    power and money play everywhere.
    this is the sickness and disease which started from the root to every inch.
     
  3. Cheung

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    Keeping the juniors in the state until they reach senior level is not a good idea. It is not because of the finance issue.
     
  4. limsy

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    bjss is a national U19 squad.
    but they lack of vision,when player like sonia and zulfadli(to lesser extend ho yen mei) who dominate the local circuit since maybe 14 years old,they have no plan to send them to international tournament.
    for example,see TTY or Ratchanok,tournament they(either one of them) played > entire squad of bam ws

    no vision,no planning,nothing.

    for bjss,target are ajc and wjc
    for bam,target are power and money
    for player,poor and pity
     
  5. OneToughBirdie

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    Err...you are in one of them...are you err on the take, just for asking;)
     
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    Why not? It works with RI - she has the same coach for the last 12 years - and
    the centralise system in msia is obviously not working as we produce wonderful junior
    champions that never become senior champion.
     
  7. Cheung

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    Wait.:)

    The Malaysian centralised system does produce world junior champions. And look how many world junior champions it has produced in the past compared with Thailand. I'd say that is a track record to be commended upon. ;)

    The difficulty is the step up to senior level.

    We see one new WC from Thailand who did it differently and you vote for devolving a system that produced quite a number of WJCs?

    RI has had one coach. How many more examples can you quote to support your proposal? I.e. need more proof... (ZZ may or may not step up)
     
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    i am cursing because i didnt get the benefit:D
    hehehe
     
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    RI is not alone, theres her teamates PB and BO who are also doing well and ZZ,
    as you mentioned on the way.
    I was reading in the star today that the former NSC chief was also proposing to
    have the centralise system replicate in each state which will widen the pool.
     
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    I think BAM was grateful and thankful with the A/C issue in WC13 MS final. It successfully shift the whole Marion's attention away from their system fautiness issue. Thanks god, most of Malaysians are now thinking that BAM is a victim, they didn't do anything wrong, all of the blame is on the Chinese.

    Yes, they think they are on the right direction now!!!
     
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    The former chief had his chance to do this when he still had the job....
     
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    He was the former NSC chief NOT the BAM chief....
     
  13. Cheung

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    So his opinion holds little weight as NSC chief nor as a former NSC chief.

    I don't want to sound like lecturing but I have to repeat one has to perceive where the problem is. Is it a) lack of junior talent or is it b) a problem with the step up to senior level?

    Given that Malaysia has been pretty successful in the world junior championships (probably only behind china in number of titles), it seems the unearthing of talent in Malaysia is fairly successful compared to other countries. Of course, it can always be improved upon and that reason a) is a smaller factor. If I am correct, most of these juniors have centralised training by attending BJSS.

    If you consider b), that seems to be an area of greater significance. World junior champions cannot step up to senior level successfully. So one has to examine those factors more carefully.

    So since juniors do so well with centralised training, do you think centralised training itself should be devolved or the policy/-ies within the centralised unit of the seniors that require examination.

    Also, I have to add there is an argument for the two systems to run simultaneously. I think a big factor is how to motivate the athletes and introduce incentives. Here, I look at PBSI and there are lessons to be learnt from their work.
     
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    I couldn't agreed more. That is how it works in Malaysia.
     
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    And it will never change, anyone will thinks a politician running a public funded entity with no accountability will have the rakyat interest rather their own interest must be on dope...as one Datuk quit after 10+ years, another Datuk comes in to continue milking the cow till the tits dry up. This is not about Malaysia, but in practically all countries...maybe exclude Sing, Den. It is all about $$$. If you are given the free rein and in charge of running a country badminton funding (any country, not zero in on Malaysia) when you see you predecessor cashing in, are you not tempted to milk the cow too, now is your time...honest?:D
     
  16. pBmMalaysia

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    He even promised he will look into the 'common' problem
    in the state association when he first became the secretary.
    of course not only he broke the promise after that,
    he was miles away lol
     
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  17. pBmMalaysia

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    Let's milk the cow but make sure they come home lol
     
  18. Pakito

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    It's a problem of the mother hen laying all the eggs but don't know where the chicks are after that. The problem of going down to the field with a pair of eyes that 'knows' how to identify, how to see. They don't go down to the field, and they can't differentiate an uncut diamond from the soil. So why do it if you don't know how to it and make a 'poopy' of yourself rite? This is where the problem is. Everyone sitting on the high chair asking the money to come down from the sky, asking LDs and LCWs to emerge while all the while they sit their fatty derriere on their comfortable chair playing politics of endurance and looting. The problem is, 99.999999% the upper management. They didn't know LCW was uncut diamond, they did not want to listen to Morten, Malaysia came within a hair width of not having the current world no. 1. As long as the MR Datos who don't know a thing about badminton, or at least have a listening ear for the coaches, the problem will remain innately unsolvable. Let the businessmen do their duty of getting the funds and stop the buck there and then. Let them wash their hands there and then, give them a big pat on their back, PRAISE THEM GOOD BOY!. And that's it. All the rest of the management must go to a coach! People with a vision for sport, not with a vision for individual greed and using sports as a political gaining ground. Just bring in the money and shut up!
     
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  19. limsy

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    money? what money?bam have a lots of revenue 'from' malaysia open:D
    they spend more than rm 300,000 on london trip(not include player:D).
     
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    Limsy, VP of Finance... lol....
     

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