Misbun quits as national singles coach

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  1. OneToughBirdie

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    That to me is the answer to this saga.
     
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    Only answer 50% of the saga... the other 50% is his beloved talented son, Ramdan...
     
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    Give TTC a trial on Ramdan for a year, give TTC a chance. Put his energy into LCW, win OLY12 and I cannot even imagine what is in store for MS as coach...the sky the limit. One year from now, Ramdan is only 20, still got time lah.
     
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    Since you mentioned Cells, This I have to say :

    People who make cars in a big co.think of everything as machines.People who work in small creative outfits like film-making

    like to be nimble etc.What about people in small cos who make specialist cars to customer tastes or the big film producers?

    Then the role is reversed. in practice,machine and organismic are extremes, it is possible to have hybrids with varying % of machine and organism to make it more responsive and nimble.

    I wont go further as I have long ago thrown away all those books but read up in Wiki the work of Mintzberg or Systems Theory and you will find some info.

    In some manufacturers they work in cells, a cell is a flexible work group unlike a work unit, activities can overlap and there are

    no boundaries as in units, its like what the Dutch call total football. Sweden is one country that practises cell groups in the workplace.
     
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    Ah yes, overlooked that.Always thinking of World Events.

    But did R really beat the 2007 WC runner-up? I missed that too.
     
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    lucky you jimbo you are not a coach by profession hahaha

    you sound like one of the ctc member lol
     
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    BAM escapes from going insolvency for NOT getting you involved LOL
     
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    I don't think anyone can disagree on you for this one... I never viewed Ramdan as a good player or a player with potential, particularly after his loss to a Sri Lankan player in the Malaysia GP Gold and to Liew Daren in straight games (14-21; 14-21 in Indonesia GP QF)
     
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    you are right...

    But neither is it wrong.

    1) in the hierachy set up... Ramdan has not deserved to be promoted into the Elite Squad.
    So you are right in this aspect. Based on the flawed BAM training system that the TCC has failed to fix. Never changed...

    and yet claim it is new and demand that it is given a chance to test Run yet again!

    2) If the national team are free of the hierachy set up... and coaches are allowed to choose their players on a yearly basis... a mix of 'elite' and 'backup' in the same 'cell-group'....
    --> Then it is not wrong to have Ramdan training under Misbun.

    3) When it is ever trully wrong for a Father to want to train his own son?

    4) Even MORE SO: When it is ever trully wrong for a coach to trust his own instinct and choose to train a person whom he believes to have the 'potential'... be it his own son.



     
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    Lest i be mistaken... Your post answered your own question
     
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    Player's who do not have the physical and Mental GRIT will always have poor attitudes & opines towards how things are done.

    They will say that 'it's Not Fair.... I'm not sparring with LCW... But the other guy is. That is why he can succeed and I CAN'T.

    What's worse we have these lovely fan boys who will cry for them too. And tell them they are right. Instead of telling them to be the best they can be to try and climb over the wall and break the impossible barrier.

    They do not have this drive. The lost... are content at being the back up... away from the spot light. for they fear the expectations of being a star. They are content at failing as long as they can put the blame on someone else or some thing.

    National sporting heroes are not made such way... all that glitters is not gold... only shooting stars break the mould.
     
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    i admire you for been observant to know all this :)

    and you also took your time off to see the malaysian challenge :)

    otherwise most of us just playing baddy, read bc post, chit chat here and there

    and of course rely on the press and google:):D
     
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    just becoz BAM is nobody's own company, acting like autocratic boss isnt accepted by the public...the bosses of BAM then shud justify every action they are taking....i dun care if it's sum1's private asset but they shud be remembered BAM has high public interest
     
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    Honestly speaking, if I were coach Hendrawan, I'd feel hurt and offended. Hendrawan was a very good player, if NOT better than Misbun himself. Having said that, I urge Misbun to leave BAM and bring his beloved talented son with him... and proof me wrong by lifting the OG/AG/WC/AE Gold medal... boleh tak?
     
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    I think beating a senior player like SDK (even when he is injured shows) good temperament.
     
  18. Bbn

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    No.4 can be quite a problem to administrators, they always want some form of justification and measured output.

    In an extreme case a bank's management may ask why their branch manager transfered Rm10 million to his personal account

    without authorisation and procedures. Surely the manager cannot reply that his instincts tell him that it is OK to do so.

    Just like government officers abusing their power and giving contracts and licences at exorbitant prices to themselves, they cant say they make their own rules as there are no existing guidelines ,so they trusted their instincts.

    I think the basic principle is everywhere especially those involving other people's money we need a set of guidelines,procedures

    to justify decisions,otherwise a system would be subject to abuse.

    It is very difficult when organisations undergoing change for staff to find that now they have to write reports, fill in forms for every little thing etc. but that's life.

    Just try promoting your subordinate without a reason other than your instinct and you'll be asked to fill an evaluation form

    to justify it. It is called good governance and transparency.You can surely do what you like if you are say running your own private SMI or SME because its your own money and company.
     
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    I think someone mentioned that he didn't want R to be trained by a "strategist".

    To that person there are things more important.
     
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    No.2 was the solution proposed by the former Minister of Sports to solve the impasse.

    Players do play by instinct. Chen Hong was once asked his strategy to play another player, he said

    he had none, just go out there and play your best. He also mentioned he feared no opponent, only himself

    (presumably for being below par in condition). Now we can understand why Chinese fans had unflattering things to say about him.Maybe he was just joking when interviewed, anyway judge for yourself and my pre-apologies to his fans.

    I have known some in the current local squad like that, that's why they never seem to get very far even though they are very skillful.
     

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