With woven, I find that since it is a much more carbon dependent process, it really really shines through with higher grades of carbon. For example, check the grades of carbon on a W5 as opposed to a W12 or W16. SOTX tends to use a higher modulus (read higher quality and higher price) graphite on the more expensive rackets. You are really getting what you're paying for. Fleet rackets are most likely using a very low quality graphite coupled with a low QC requirement to drive down prices. With DC Badminton, only the strictest 2-stage QC process is used as well as quality carbon graphite. This (along with relatively small brand orders of a couple hundred) means the rackets certainly won't be $50. But the lack of an advertising/marketing budget means you won't be paying $200 (Yonex) or $300 (LN) for a quality product either. Also, with DC Badminton, you can (almost) name your spec for no extra fee. Gone are the days of buying two "identical" rackets and having them play so differently they throw odd your game.
Wow, didn't expect package to arrive in about a week can take up to a month sometimes. One already strung off to test, bonus is to get to try polysorb insoles as well. Nice looking racket more tangerine than gold and a bit more stiff than the old T2. Sort of feels like an Ultra jr which makes me exciting as Ultra has great control but a bit too much for me. Precision I have sort of outgrown as with my elbow healing shaft is getting a bit too flexy. Will give a review after a few sessions unless I get too excited after trying.
Indeed, Pat! Thanks, I'll take the rackets, you keep the table! Please do review the rackets. Dimcorner's review is excellent, but we need more. So far the consensus is this T-Pro is an improvement over the T2 --in part because it's stiffer. Sounds like the T1 if you ask me! Await ormy4 and other reviews!
The T1 I have is .5-.8g heavier but 1-2mm more headlight than my TPro spec wise. The TPro swings faster than the T1 for sure, even though my T1 is unstrung. So it is not the T1 for sure.
Nice Tpros Question for panda, howcome there's only serial numbers on the Precision rackets only and not the Upro and Tpro? Just curious.
Thanks for the info Dink! There is a towel over(!)grip that weights 17g and shifts BP of AT900P from 316 to 280, so it would be rather used as a replacement grip. How much does the original TPro grip weight approximately? Need to know what to expect if replace original with towel.
The original grips on all Panda Power Rackets = ~7-9g. Panda did not mention towel grips because Panda doesn't use them and there's far too much disparity. For instance, Panda has seen a towel grip weigh almost 30g! How? 1) The racket was gripped loosely with a very big butt 2) Gripped nearly half way up the shaft 3) Was used a lot so a bunch of sweat set in and dried with the grip powder.
I might be soundling like a broken record with this, but I still fail to see how adding overgrips etc will significantly alter the playing characteristic of the racquet. sure, you changed the bp, but thats just a pseudo technical stat. you havent changed the moment of inertia, and thats the physical property that will affect how the swing feels.
Changing the BP by a few millimeters is not a big deal but changing it by 5 to 10mm or more can. Also, by changing the BP, usually the weight is going to go up or down, one way or the other. Not a big deal if you are swapping grips, but if adding on, can be significant. Not just the BP and weight of the racket, the grip size is affected too. Panda is not comfortable playing with anything bigger than G4 anymore whereas in the past he could not play with anything smaller than a G2. Finally, this is a good example of why raw numbers don't always work. You need to factor the human side into it. That's why there are so many rackets, racket styles, colors preferences to go along with players and their play style. If grips don't affect you, that's great, one less variable.
I have to say I agree. The only thing additional grips should affect are the grip size & the overall weight of the racket. The moment of the racket (the effective force gravity effects on the racket when horizontal) is unchanged, even though when you balance the racket on your finger along the shaft may change significantly. This is why lead tape IS effective at changing the BPT as when you hold the grip the moment is changed.
Well it's really not very much, but lowering the BP by adding weight to the base DOES change the characteristics. The BP of the racket goes down, and more of the mass is in your hand, where it creates no momentum. As the weight of the racket is not much for the bigger muscles (upper arm, torso, shoulder), it will not feel significantly heavier, but as the BP has changed, the created momentum when you swing the racket has changed as well. I'm way too lazy to actually calculate an example, but adding weight to the base WILL change the characteristics. Although most of those changes are minor. [M = F x s with M=Momentum, s the length of the lever and F the created force. Changing the BP will also change s, and while F will be influenced (being the force created by the inertia of the racket), it will have a lesser effect than the change of s. This is only the simplified equation used for constant forces, but as I said, I'm too lazy and tired to go into detail. Also, I have ~2 weeks left until my mechanics exam where this is gonna be a subject, meaning I haven't studied for it yet ]
As with all things in life, the answer lies somewhere in between. A y change in handle weight may not be as significant as a y change in racket head weight, but it can still change the way it swings, because the handle and hand is not the fulcrum in the swing. Instead the fulcrum lies somewhere behind the shoulder and body.
While you're partially right, there is a mistake in your statement: the fulcrum would be in the middle of your chest if you swung the racket with a fully stretched arm and no wrist movement at all. The most noticeably influenced movements are wrist movement and pronation though, where the fulcrum is your wrist and the middle of your hand respectively. Thanks for agreeing - adding weight at the handle WILL change the swing characteristics of a racket, as it changes the weight, its distribution and thus the BP. All 3 influence the intertia of the racket which creates the momentum you notice when starting or ending a swing. Also influenced is the impulse of the racket (=>smash power, which is why hard hitters tend to prefer high BPs). But seriously, you dont wanna open that can of worms if you're not very interesting in physics/engineering as its getting more and more complicated the more realistic and accurate you wanna calculate those things. Just take it for granted that adding weight at the bottom and top will both change racket characteristics
too bad I cannot really help with this physics lesson but I think visor has the best answer (by using logic)
Whilst the centre of the swing maybe extended to your shoulder/chest or whatever the biggest impartation of power is created by the pronation or supination of the wrist, of which the addition of extra weight in the handle has minimum/nil effect. Yes the Balance point is clearly affected by adding grips, as you measured balance point from somewhere in the shaft, but the effective balance from Hand to head is minimally affected. It is complicated & there are more things to consider than a simple measurement, but people should remember that by changing a dry weight racket of 290mm to 280mm by adding weight to the handle won't make the racket play like a dry weight 280mm BPT racket.
