Zulfadli Zulkifli

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  1. LD rules!

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    Is he injured again ? He retired against Hafiz.
     
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    Badminton is half a century behind Tennis

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    Let's just talk about individual tournaments. Let's read about some of our current players;

    * Lin Dan may wish to win a SS tournament, CBA told him to let one of his teammates win.
    * Gan Teik Chai/Tan Bin Shen qualified to participate in the 2011 World Championships. BAM said a lower pair will take their spot.
    * Zhang Beiwen has had a troubled relationship with the Singapore BA. Some months ago, she trained in Indonesia.
    * etc, etc, ......

    Remember this discussion;
    Yes, Tennis took years to change (in the 1960's and 1970's). We now find that Badminton is half a century behind Tennis.

    Rod Laver was excluded from World Tennis because he turned independent (from our Australian National Association).

    Today, while World Tennis say that they have regretted excluding Rod Laver, most professional independent Tennis players are thankful to him for making Tennis as a sport for individual players, instead of for associations players.
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    Wait a minute...are you alluding to citizenship rules that children follows father side, not mother such that ZZ remains malaysian? I am thinking more of if Indonesia makes an offer to his parent that they cannot refuse, that rules are made to be broken or can bend to suit the situation, if ZZ and his siblings are that talented and talent is missing in INA these days, what can stopped ZZ playing for INA?
    ZZ is independent, no penalty playing for another country unlike pro players under contract with BAM. MAS is looking for the next LCW, so is INA looking to replace TH.
     
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    2011 Kedah Open

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    IMHO, Zulfadli shouldn't have participated in this tournament (2011 Kedah Open) because of his tired and hectic schedule last week.
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    If BAM wants, BAM can ban Zul from participating in International tournaments for 2 years. Remember, the national associations have to endorse each & every player's participation. That's why all the independent players have to show up in the current running Kedah Open, BAM just made it a requirement.

    Chris@ccc, compulsory to participate. That's also why I suspect WCH retired after a couple of points playing. Have to show face there;)
     
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    Yep WCH retired after leading 1-0 lol:p
     
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    WCH only played ONE rally/point

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    It just shows how much power BAM has over Malaysian players. ;););)

    WCH only played ONE rally/point. :D:D:D
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    The Star reporter interview WCH & asked him why. If I recall correctly, WCH said he just flew in from Germany/overseas. Had slight fever, so, decided show his face to Kedah fans, warm up his creaking bones & happily retire(of course lah uncle Wong didnt say that, he just said he's down with fever) :p
     
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    2011 Kedah Open: Yeoh Kay Bin defeated WCH 1-0

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    Actually, Yeoh Kay Bin was leading, not WCH. :):):)
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    Feeling sorry for WCH

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    Feel so sorry for WCH's fans wishing to watch WCH play.

    Also, feeling sorry for WCH himself - flying hundreds of miles to show up for just a few seconds.
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    Eagle, that is not my question. I meant if ZZ and his siblings wants to play for INA and since ZZ has no contract with BAM, there is no 2-year penalty stopping that. ZZ and his siblings can claim duo citizenships so can play for either MAS or INA. And if ZZ is really that talented that so many people project him to be the next LCW, wouldn't INA wants him?
    INA has Alamsah, Hayon and add the 4 zorros, and INA always find a way to develop MDs, Thomas Cup for INA has hope.
     
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    INA would love to take him or the whole family :).

    And offer the father a coaching post :p
     
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    KLRC doing A Great Job

    Courtesy of The Star

    [h=1]Andrew’s love for badminton has produced champions like Zulfadli[/h][h=2]By RAJES PAUL[/h]

    KUALA LUMPUR: Reigning Asian junior champion Zulfadli Zulkifli is staying put with Malaysia’s world-renowned badminton club – KLRC.
    And big plans are now in store to turn Zulfadli into a future Olympic champion.
    The 18-year-old Zulfadli became Malaysia’s first Asian boys’ singles champion in Lucknow, India, last week.
    Zulfadli’s achievement was hailed as he did not come through the Badminton Association of Malaysia’s (BAM) centralised training programme.
    KLRC owner Datuk Seri Andrew Kam said that Zulfadli’s breakthrough was a testament of the professional club’s labour of love for the sport.
    “KLRC spotted Zulfadli when he was 13 and we took him under our wings. Now, he has proven to us that he has the potential to become an Olympic champion,” said Andrew yesterday.
    ”He had a choice to choose – BAM or KLRC– and he picked us,” he added.
    Andrew said that KLRC’s role was more than mere sponsors.
    “We are involved in developing and unearthing new talents. Initially, KLRC started with former players and retired players. But now, we scout for talents and we are very happy with Zulfadli’s success,” said Andrew.
    In a bid to strengthen the club, KLRC have engaged a new coach – Indonesian Hadi Idris – who previously coached India’s Saina Nehwal.
    ”We have Zulfadli’s father and Hadi as coaches now. Zulfadli also enjoys the benefit of sparring with a few of our senior players and it has added more variety to his game,” said Andrew.
    The seniors playing under the KLRC banner are Mohd Hafiz Hashim and former internationals Sairul Amar Ayob and Lee Tsuen Seng. Sometimes, Zulfadli also plays with KLRC-sponsored international players.
    Andrew said that new mindset was needed to encourage clubs to contribute to the development of the sport.
    ”We are here to complement BAM. With the involvement of more clubs, we can have a bigger pool of talents,” he said.
    Asked about his involvement in the sport, Andrew, who owns several gold mines, said: “I love the sport. And I believe that players need to be given a second chance to pursue their careers – in sports or even outside of the game.”
    Some of KLRC’s former players like Ang Li Peng and K. Sugina were even given scholarships to further their tertiary education. Li Peng is now a lawyer while Sugina is a doctor.
     
  14. pBmMalaysia

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    Hiring an extra coach is not enough, They need a team of experts or tie up with nsc :)
     
  15. Loh

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    If an individual player is talented, committed and disciplined, there is less likelihood that he/she will give problems to himself/herself or to the NAs. Such players will be "treasured" by the NAs for they will likely be the ones who will bring glory to the nation (national interest coincides with NA interest).

    But after spending so much time and resources on "prima-donna" and ill-disciplined players, they still act negatively, how does one expect the NAs to support them further without being fair to the other players who are members of the same team?

    I can't say much about the other players, but on Singaporean ZBW, she has already brought problems to herself and to the SBA. Despite this the SBA is still giving her a "final" chance, I think, because the SBA has taken lots of trouble and risk to bring her into Singapore when she was only a young teen and surely SBA wants her to do well now that she is an adult.

    Just as SBA has given another opportunity to Gu Juan, who seems to be progressing well, focussing on her ambition to become a top professional.

    I think the SBA has been more than fair and to me, it has gone out of its way to help errant players.
     
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    I don't know what is KLRC's mission and constitution.

    Is it a social and recreation club that has many public members who have to pay an entrance fee and a regular subscription? Or is Andrew Kam the sole owner and can dictate what the club can and cannot do? Do the members have a say?

    BAM's mission is quite clear to specifically develop badminton players who will become professionals that can earn their keep. In the process successful players under its charge can not only bring credit to themselves and BAM, but also glory to the nation. Success in sport can bond and gel the nation. With government support and those from commercial sponsors and well-wishers, BAM is in a better position to fulfil its ambitions.

    From the press report, it appears that Andrew Kam said KLRC is there to "complement" BAM but in practice, KLRC seems to be in competition with the national body, BAM. What does "complement" mean to him? Is he willing to pass on talented players to BAM for further grooming and development. Or his players will play for MAS only in the name of KLRC?

    Or does he think he has a better machinery than BAM? If he has, then he should take over the running of BAM and bring in various talents to enhance its workings so that MAS will have a bountiful supply of first-class players and rule the badminton world once more? :rolleyes:
     
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    No "team orders" of course.

    I wonder if LD did the same at the recent Singapore Open, would he be "forgiven"? :D:D:D
     
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    He did try to run for the post President of BAM but too much negative comments from politicians accusing KLRC of 'sabotaging' national interest by pinching players. BAM/national associations should be happy there are clubs trying to help out the players instead of monopolizing.
    Look at INA, the clubs are so active, Djarum to me sometimes seems 'bigger' than PBSI in trying to promote badminton in INA.

    Later I heard of an unwritten rule that only 'certain' people can be BAM President, Datuk Andrew dont qualify that quota.

    From sometime back, I did state that Zulfadli will be one of the examples of how independent players can make it. BAM is not doing good job at developing the MS dept, looking at how Arif, Iskandar, Loh WS are doing now. Mr Zulklifi me thinks, was smart to sign Zulfadli with KLRC with Zul was 15.

    Zul can train with the national team like what Hafiz used to do when he was under Nusa.
     
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    [h=2]Badminton: Zulfadli has Kam's backing[/h] By K.M. Boopathy
    boopathy@nstp.com.my
    2011/07/15

    KLRC director Datuk Seri Andrew Kam has pledged to financially support Zulfadli Zulkifli as long as the player wishes to stay with the club.
    Kam said Zulfadli has the potential to win Olympic gold and stated the club will do everything necessary for him reach that level.

    KLRC hired a full-time coach in Hadi, the Indonesian who had been India's singles coach for almost three years, last month and he has already started training Zulfadli.

    Hadi had been guiding most of the Indian shuttlers, including women's singles Saina Nehwal, before accepting the KLRC offer and Kam believes Zulfadli will benefit tremendously from the Indonesian who emphasises on building physical strength and adding power, which are the Asian junior champion's major weaknesses.

    Hadi also coached in Singapore previously where Ronald Susilo and Kendrick Lee were under his tutelage.

    Kam said Zulfadli can join the BA of Malaysia (BAM) at any time as KLRC are not in competition with the national body as they just want to ensure there is a bigger pool of players in the country.

    "Zulfadli has the potential to win Olympic gold and we (KLRC) want to groom him. We want him to build on the success of winning the Asian Junior title and go on to greater heights," said Kam yesterday.

    "His next target is the World Juniors (in Taiwan on Oct 28-Nov6) which Malaysians singles players have not won before and with Hadi in place and supported by his father Zulkifli (Sidek), he has the chance to upset favourite Viktor Axelsen (of Denmark).

    "Previously, KLRC used to rope in players who left the national team but now, we have a junior programme and Zulfadli's success is proof that we are going in the right direction.

    "However, we are not competing with BAM but trying to complement them by providing a bigger pool of players who can be considered for international duties."

    Kam added that Zulfadli has the advantage of sparring with senior players like Hafiz Hashim, Yeoh Kay Bin, Sairul Amar Ayob, Lee Tsuen Seng and K. Yogendran who are also with KLRC.

    He also regularly gets the opportunity to spar with international shuttlers sponsored by KLRC who have training stints in Kuala Lumpur.

    "Hafiz is still playing on the international stage and although Sairul and Tsuen Seng are not competing, they are quality stroke players and Zulfadli can only benefit."

    KLRC will also be sponsoring Julia Wong who left the national team last month as she has stated her interest to continue playing as an independent player.

    http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/kamsx/Article/art_print



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  20. Loh

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    I hope you are right.

    This seemingly conflicting interest can backfire and may result in BAM not wanting to cooperate with KLRC in future. KLRC players may not be allowed to train with BAM players and may not be chosen to represent the country. It has happened before and will this lead to 'unity and harmony' to produce MAS's future champions?

    Of course time will tell...

    On Andrew Kam's desire to head up BAM once before, we also had great discussions here on the "BWF-Gunalan saga" and how Andrew Kam suddenly joined the fray to challenge the incumbent BWF president. He lost ... and it shows that indeed politics have been allowed to encroach into sports.
     
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