It's Official - No Penalty for Lin Dan or Li Mao

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  1. block306

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    I wonder how the bwf is going to explain to Taufik if he asked "why am I being penalised in HK Open for walking out whereas it is ok to attempt to whack someone with a racket. We both complained about line calls!"??
     
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    Does anyone has the video taufik walking out of the game? Very interested to see what the atmosphere was like.:D
     
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    exactly .
     
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    I disagree that there should have been no puishment.

    Irrespective of the provocation (bad line calls) the punishment should always be for the reaction as well. If we take football Should Zidane have not been punished for his reaction to Marco Materazzi in WC final? He could argue he was provoked and if he was provoked he would not have done it, but if reactions to provocations go unpunished then the legal process would be in dissarray.

    At the end of the day Lin Dan showed violent and potentially dangerous behaviour towards a opposing coach, in the final of a showpiece event in the badminton calendar (SS event), and for this he should have been punished.

    Unfortunately the power in badminton is with the teams and players not with the organising bodies.
     
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    TH walked out as umpire ( from China) told him..." if he did not like the decision dont play..". so he left the court.......
     
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    This is a speculation on my part. But after 13 pages and 220 posts of debate in the thread of "The impact of bad line calls on MSF players in KO 08 and CO 07", no one was closer to the truth than my argument: LD won the next two points and should have won the match without the biased line call. If you have problem with that we can continue the debate at http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51814. I saw you quit after just one post last time :confused:

    If you have any problems with the BWF panel's decision on Korea Open 08 investigation, please do bring it up with BWF, not with me :cool:;):D
     
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    Well, football's profile at the Olympics is a lot larger than badminton's.
    It'd take a very very bold IOC committee to even float the idea of dropping football from the Olympic roster of events ;)
    Not so with badminton.

    In a potential vote on exclusion, China (and Hong Kong), Indonesia, Malaysia, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, the UK and Denmark wouldn't be enough to hold out against the rest of the sporting world. I'd imagine many countries would be quite in favour of escorting badminton out of the Games... and thereby reduce China's medal tally.

    I'd certainly agree that the BWF's decision doesn't smack of courage or firmness. However, it does reflect the concerns about the game's future in the world's highest sporting arena :)
     
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    Maybe it is just because I am in the UK, but Badminton is far higher on the agenda in OG than football. Admittedly UK dont have a team in OG, but most countries do not take the Football OG seriously. It is in effect an under 23 competition, with no prestige.

    How do the IOC view violent conduct then? would they agree that a competitor who assaults an opposing coach should be left unpunished? to me, this goes beyond an occurence that can be swept under the carpet.

    How would a Ban on LD effect Badmintons OG presence anyhow? Do the IOC like double standard organising bodies where one competitor who simply doesn't want to play a match can be punished, but a players assault can be blamed on provocation?
     
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    I just want to bring it up to the situation. There was not just 1 miss call. There are several miss call against LD. TV shoes they where clearly bad calls. Bias is bias. Even if there is a bias, at lease try to hide it.
     
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    i guess u dont understand of either incidents.
    Walkout is a clear violation specified in the bylaws.
    LD did not whacked anybody. U made it up.:rolleyes:
     
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    either I or u have any idea what IOC likes. It is a private enterprise, nothing private or anything else is disclose if they feel like it.
     
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    I am not saying there was no Bias, but the normal thing to do would be to punish a player, and then try to rectify the problems that caused it.

    In other sports, eg. cricket. They have a "bringing the game into disrepute" law, does badminton have such a law?
     
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    Nod. There were 4 calls overruled by the empire. I'm sure for every overruled call, they are likely 1 or 2 more missed bad calls. People have pointed fingers at LD, li mao, korea organizer, referees, line judges contributed to this incident. I like to add one more, the umpire. He should had replace the line judge immediately to show to line judges he is watching them too. Since no action was taken at all against the line judges, a message is sent to them that u can do as u please to the point of recklessly biased as they will even dare to make bad calls in the finals, including the grand finale 21-21

    To fairly resolve this incident, everyone i have listed above should be disciplined. May i say it again, bwf doesnt have the time, money, legal team, or gut to risk badminton image do that - and i didnt even brought up any international consequences that may ensue.

    A petty fine and/or suspension won't deter or solve anything here.
    Although i have being critical of bwf in many many posts before, i do believed that bwf is NOT THAT DUMB to make a big blunder decision in this case.
     
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    I am guilty, your honor. Please go easy on the canning... Or can I bribe you?
     
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    hey, it worked for IOC in many occasions:D Maybe WE DO know what IOC likes:D:p
     
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    No comment. You really know what I mean. look at IOC skating...
     
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    I am not saying I disagree with you here, but were all the overules from the same linejudge?

    And if not, then in defence of the umpire they couldn't be expected to change all of them, and in any case, they were likely to be changed for other potentially biased linejudges anyway.

    I don't think the Linejudges can be punished - they are probably volunteers and have little responsibility - it would be like punishing the ball boys at a football game.

    Umpires are always unlikely to be punished since it will undermine any fture performances.

    I agree that a fine or suspension would likely not have any effect, but the ruling seems to be that LD/LM were entitled to do what they did.
     
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    No you're not closer to the truth. Speculation IS speculation. No one is right nor wrong, no one can predict solely because he won the two next points.
    If there wasn't any bad line call, if there wasn't any umpire, if bla bla bla...

    Here is another IF: If the scoring was 22-21 for LD, LHI would have won the next point because that's what he did in the second set AND third set.... if if if...
    But that is pure speculation on my part...

    I can continue like that, but speculation is nothing more than speculation, and it's neither right nor wrong... it's speculation.

    There is a reason why I don't continue arguing in an endless argument :cool:

    So are you saying it is better to make a decision based on cosmetics?
    What happened to ethics and sportsmanship? Does it mean you have to hide every hideous things in badminton to please the Olympics? Badminton is already programmed in the Olympics.
    What about cycling and all the drugs? Is it okay to hide there is drug use just so cycling can be in the Olympics?
    :rolleyes:
     
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    u still dont understand. In cycling sports, drug use DOES harm olympic cycling. In your case, I think u want to jail or fine all jaywalkers too as this would make the world better for us.
     
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    hmm, it seem biased to punish only certain class of people and not others.

    In this case, the umpire should weigh in the frequency and blatantness of the bad calls. For ex at 08 Korea Open. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdUgLuRTF8 i would replace that line judge even if that was his/her first bad call. The bad call was blatantly INTENTIONAL. The umpire even did a ':rolleyes::rolleyes:'
     
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