Is BAM going in the right direction?

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  1. Gigabit

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    People running BAM are filled by semi professionals, they run the organization like a business and forgot that it is also a sports association. We need passionate and committed people like Tan Sri Elyas Omar to guide BAM. As i see it, BAM is very similar in PBSI, badly run and in dire need of injection of fresh blood of individuals to run the association. Only then can we see an improvement.

    Thailand is stepping in the right direction with their up and coming individuals in WS. Phillipines is also stepping up and do not be surprise to see Phillipines challenging for honours in the not too distant future.

    What we have currently in the national coaching set up is just not good enough. The players are too set in their play and becoming very predictable.
     
  2. limsy

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    disagree on the 1st sentence
    they are all profesional in their own business,lawyer or businessman
    but they know 0% of badminton
     
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    talk is cheap. No matter what, politician and their cronies win. All you have is just a bunch of frustrated wannabe fans.lets move on. Battle iost for the. Next 10 years.
     
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    So another chap with an even bigger title of Tan Sri to run BAM, great idea. Next up, it gonna be Tun. As for those stooges currently running BAM like a business, at least you are darn correct in that one cos these chaps are doing great business of filling their pockets and their high performance buddies while MAS baddy is in the worst shape I can have seen despite all those sponsors' loot pouring in and keep pouring in. MAS Boleh.
     
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    Now, now, pls calm down. Despite the changing of the guards, both Malaysia and Indonesia are actually doing quite well, in fact much better than their dna is capable of placing them in their current rankings.
    The real test is to slow down the downward spiral. There is no hope of going back to those glory days when boys and girls were the competition.

    Dna is rubbish? Perhaps this will provide some food for thought www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf.
    Here is another from the BBC, www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17585201.
     
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    there were reports that one famous diving champion in China was chosen because a DNA test when she was young shows that she will be flat chested when she grows up. an advantage for controlling those water splash when entering water.
     
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    man.. We are entering a suprr niva zone. Just like airport checks.
     
  8. cobalt

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    DNA does not acknowledge political boundaries. To claim that the requisite DNA for being a badminton champ is to be found only in the boundary of a space of land known to us as China is not just presumptive; it is downright idiotic. To claim that countries like MAS and INA who share much of their origins with people in neighbouring countries, just got lucky many years ago, is likewise, wishful thinking. I would like to say "stupid" but I actually respect taneepak's intelligence a lot. I just wish he'd put away some of his prejudices that have shown up in other threads as well, because his insights and knowledge are often very revealing and useful.

    There is no single reason for the decline of badminton in INA and MAS; rather, it's a toxic combination of cultural change, the invasion of entertainment technology, a subtle shift in values, and the pressures of competition in daily life. These countries are dealing with economic and political changes as well, without the benefit of continuity that a political system like the one in China guarantees. The opportunities for interference, corruption, crony-ism, mis-management etc etc increase manifold when a developing country tries to fast-track any kind of growth. Sports associations are just one of hundreds of organisations that get affected.

    To study the cumulative effect that all this and much more has on the badminton output of MAS and INA would take a full volume. But to claim that it all boils down to a superior strain of DNA that is the sole preserve of one country, opens up for me, a distinctively distasteful smell of supremacist-talk.
     
  9. Gigabit

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    The semi professionals quote was meant to be a sarcastic joke :). We need individuals that are running the BA with no hidden motives (ok maybe not possible in Malaysia) and professional in their approach. Having day jobs as businessman, lawyer cannot guarantee full attention. As a comparison, look at Japan and Korea, it is properly run.
     
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    I am afraid to say that both Malaysians and Indonesians still do not get the message. The changing of the guards is permanent. Stop dreaming of being number 1 again. It will not happen. Instead why not aim to be number 5 or number 6, which is within reach, provided there is commitment. To aim higher and then fall flat can be disastrous, from which both countries can ever recover.
    You don't believe me? Then what better than to take the advice of the top so-called former badminton greats of both countries and give them the mandate to manage the affairs of both countries? There are a lot of smart alecs of former greats that have all of a sudden found the real problem for the countries' failure, and are proposing a change. So, what better than to hand over running of the national badminton organizations to them? Then we shall see!
    I will bet with anyone most of them will start to desert one after another after a few false starts. Then the blame game starts all over again. A new breed of smart alecs with new solutions will then take over again and this is how it will go on.
     
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    Recap 2 - Defining BAM short and concisely

    These are excerpts from the media in which I find have the same context as a picture paints a thousand words, or in this case - a sentence paints a picture - that define BAM clearly without the need to do a thesis. :cool:

    And what astounds me even greater till no end is this - if even sports journalists can describe profoundly what is wrong with BAM, why is Nadzmi still clueless and looking for answers after 12
    (wisdomic? I think not:mad:)years? Doesn't that say he is not worthy of the job? After so long, still clueless?

    And he had the 'cheek' to say this - "
    Is it going to guarantee success in the future by just going for the head of one person if Malaysia fails to win gold in London?" Sorry so say this, but someone please give him a good penalty kick.:mad:
    But rather, it seems to me that because the media has shifted the focus and pointing the gun to 'Nadzmi and the gang' that they are feeling the sweat dripping down from their foreheads. It's due to no other reason than their worries about the security of their paychecks! When everything was rosy and masked by LCW's long-reigning world no. 1 status, they were happy to remain contented. Why rock the boat when you can plunder away the nation's resources?

    BAM must think like an oil company. Oil is the answer. But first, you have to hunt and search for it. Likewise is talent.

    After all, what is so hard about running the place IF talent is in abundance (rarely) since BAM already possess the $$$ to buy whoever by the likes of Yang Yang, Li Mao, Morten Frost, Fang Kai Xiang? You name it, you have it.

    The Star, Tue May 29, 2012

    1. Too many cooks spoiling the broth (in fighting)
    2. Running around like a headless chicken (BAM)

    NST, 26 May 2012

    3. BAM place all eggs in one basket (LCW)
    4. Get rid of 4 member high performance team (Good riddance!)
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    Chief coach will only work if he is given a free hand to implement his plans. (no more meddling and interfering)
     
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  12. limsy

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    seriously,name anyone who u think that they(bam) are do the job for badminton in malaysia?
    all the remain coaches and manager in bam(except the ws coach and hendrawan) are playing politic instead of coaching badminton.
     
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    Well, I would like readers to ponder the above deeply. Here is where the problem lies, where the name of the game is to blame others. This is precisely the reason why there is no hope.
    When you get rubbish material (here is a bit of reference to LKY's own thinking), you produce rubbish end product. We see a lot of rubbish being written here. And herein lies the problem.
     
  14. extremenanopowe

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    Garbage in, Garbage out the call it in IT bro.

    Please proof it before you point the finger. ;) You may point to yourself like a fool. ;)
     
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    So you are blaming on the players themselves for not having the right type of material to begin with, what about the system?
     
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    how clear can u see from faraway?
    do u ever saw any of the junior playing?
    and what they become in senior stage?

    what u claim is like a secondary school headmaster who cant improve his student result and claim the student is stupid and dislike learning but in fact all the student passing with flying colours in their primary school.

    i believe all manager in bam have the exactly same mental set with u,and they can stay on their post forever regardless how worse malaysia badminton have falling behind.

    try to learn about Pygmalion effect 1st
    then u know why u will surely fail in any management post with ur mental set.
     
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    forget to say
    if u were liverpool,man utd or arsenal owner
    u might just sell all the player and buy more manager;):rolleyes::cool:
     
  18. extremenanopowe

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    Both are messed up. Maradona works harder just like lcw. The rest carry balls. ;)
     
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    i believe taneepak just choose to ignore my post about DNA when he cant explain anything about it
     
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    from psychological point of view
    genetical and environmental just like a coin,u can choose to see from either side.
    but some extreme do ignore another side.
     

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