These are the specs. Trinity Weight: 86.5g BP: 285mm Ultra Weight: 87.3 BP: 294mm Yeah I agree the Ultra feels like AT700 but more powerful. Do you have Trinity with similar spec? Why do you think it would be better? Is that because it is less stiff?
In my opinion, the Trinity is very similiar to the Cab30. It has the same, solid feel that you would expect from a box-shaped frame with minimal twist. However, the isometric head shape makes the Trinity far more forgiving. Even if I mishit, most of the shots don't become critical shots that causes my team to lose the rally. However, I have yet to notice any frame twisting when I smash with the Trinity. I've also noticed that the Trinity feels more solid when hitting smashes and clears. While the Cab30 outright is a very solid racket, the Trinity has far less vibration from hitting smashes and clears. The racket simply has very little rebound. With this in mind, I would refrain from getting an end-loaded version just for power; I feel touch shots such as net drops and kills suffer as a result. I would bring up that Dinkalot's rackets do NOT play like yonex rackets. The material used is different, and the overall feel is different. However, given enough time to make adjustments, they do play better. I would use the same tension you've been using on your original rackets and see for yourself.
Guess it is a night for a few reviews just got back from 3hrs of playing. So here goes my initial thoughts. Badminton is done for a few weeks so will give a better review down the road. Trinity 85.2 grams bp 285 Ultra 86 grams bp 290 Nice thing about the rackets is that I picked out exactly what I wanted. Having owned about 40 to 50 rackets I have it down to a few grams and what balance I like. Looks prefer the Trinity but both are nice looking and the color bands pop nicely. Strung both with no surprises and frames felt solid especially the Ultra since it had the thicker frame. Trinity 23 lbs with bg66 Ultra 21 lbs with squashmarts .68 string sample he sent me lol play with plastic here so were mavis 350's. Trinity no issues fast with good power as expected. So easy to play with and other doubles players felt the same way. I had a 3rd edition ti-10 and this is plays faster, just as good control, and has more pop. Ultra was my concern as I wasn't sure about the stiffness. Sure glad I picked the right specs for it as it was perfect for me. Reason I say that is I am not at a point right now to master it completely. I would say I am at about 80 percent of what this racket can do. I used it the last 4 games and I enjoyed it more every game as I adjusted to it. Felt it had better touch and more power was just a case of focusing more on technique. I tend to get lazy so the racket makes me work a bit harder and rewards me for it. Pushing birds down the line and into the corners was noticeable better. Like the fact this racket will be a bit of a challenge but know that it is attainable. Definitely looking forward to using it again. Out of curiosity I borrowed the Zelm 9990 from the guy I sold it too and tried it and it was too head heavy for me in comparison. Good power but tired me out too much after a while. Ultra felt close to the tantrum 200 but at my specs was easier to maneuver. Think the Tantrum 200 is sexier looking thou. Tempting to order another Trinity at 86g with bp of 290 to see the difference. Just read there will be a Trinity 2 so interesting as well. Please take into consideration that this is just my initial thoughts on the rackets from one night of playing. It will take a few evenings to get used to them. Plus I lent them out a fair amount to see what people thought. Thanks Dan for putting the time and effort into making some well made rackets. Think people will benefit from using them as long as they know the weights and bp that compliment their style or are comfortable with. Sorry didn't have any time to try the prototype woven. It reminded me of the woven 16 I had when you look at the construction. Heavier racket so not my preference but will test at a later time then put it up for sale. Hope Dan will start another thread for each new racket he is coming out with so they can be more focused since this thread is getting on the large side.
I having been using only Yonex BG-66 for quite a while now. My Apacs racquets are strung at 30 and my Yonex racquets at 31 lbs. Typically, the strings snap within a dozen sessions. Some snap within just three or four sessions. It depends a lot on the particular day's game level. If it's a bad-ass smash-smash session, I expect at least one racquet to give up its strings that evening By the way, I notice that although Apacs racquets hold tension very well, their strings are the first to go (compared to Yonex). I believe this has much to do with the quality of the grommets. Incidentally, the Li Ning racquets appear to hold both tension and string better than the competition I'm now waiting for the strings on my Ultra to break. I wanna try the 66 on this very violent racquet
But I am by no means a Trinity/Ultra expert From what I have read about Trinity I cannot imagine it to be stiffer overall than TC700. The TC700 stiffness is however hard to compare at is is varying in different directions (using a tetra-axial woven pattern to accomplish this).. I would assume it is stiffer if it feels "harder".. I usually asses stiffness by hitting the rackets, bending the shaft etc by hand has proved not to be a useful test in my experince.. As mentioned in this thread I also think it is hard to compare rackets if you use completely different strings / tension etc.. as this affects things to a big degree.. (sometimes you end up comparing strings/tensions more than comparing rackets .. /Twobeer
There's no way the Trinity can compare to the TC700 in overall stiffness as I did not design to Trinity to be that way. I designed it to be a stiff, yet forgiving racket. The frame of the Trinity is not relatively stiff but the shaft is. The Ultra is another matter. I'm very confident it's stiffer than the TC700. In fact, I'm confident it's significantly stiffer overall. I guess only Pete would know the answer to that.
GrandMaster OH (B), I am glad that we have arrived at the same conclusion about APACS grommets. In fact, I had one that cracked during stringing, as a result of the string cut by the rough grommet.
Nope but Panda is working on a Generation II already: 1) All black raw frame for better durability and increase aerodynamics 2) Drop the stiffness a bit to slightly stiffer than the Trinity. 3) A few other minor tweaks such as dropping the BP to make it more useable for all.
The Revelation, probably in a few months. I'm focused on tweaking the Ultra and just about done: 1) More aerodynamic 2) Stronger paint/clearcoat so the string tension at 35lbs. doesn't dent the frame as fast. 3) Less stiff, about the Trinity stiffness so it's not as demanding 4) Lowering the BP 5mm so it's not as head heavy 5) Slightly modified graphics I love the Ultra but it's a bit too hard to use for most. I want to make it more useable, more friendly, while still perserving the durability and performance.
i thought u wanted no paint.. 1) All black raw frame for better durability and increase aerodynamics Why don't u make it a black theme racket, laminate film for the name and logo, and lightly powder spot paint to give it some highlights.
That's what I'm doing to the frame, making it raw. That's my version of, "Stronger paint/clearcoat so the string tension at 35lbs. doesn't dent the frame as fast." As for all black, naw, it'll be too close to the Revelation.
no paint = no paintchips! good for noobs like me. i clashed an ultra twice pretty good and only got minor paint damage
