Please don't drag Saina Nehwal here for the sake of your explaination. She will never be going to represent China nor she is in the world # 15 rank at present. So, please don't drag other country's players for the sake of explaining the act of withdrawals and retirements from china players. Your explainations are totally wrong. Its like " I will do whatever i can. You don't have any rights to stop me doing that. We are superpowers" Isn't it?
I use saina nehwal bcoz depleter comes from india, and very likely he/she idolize nehwal. Let see what is the fans reaction if their idol can not go to WC just bcoz country limitation, and let see if they have different answer, if the victim is not the same. How about you ? Just answer my question : if saina nehwal from china and only # 15 can not go, is this fair ?
You are completely want to change the topic out from here by simply dragging everybody by calling their idols name and fitting those as if you needs. This thread is completely based upon some players' cheating on badminton for the past years. We people are very much interested in badminton and we never accept those malpractices ever happen to badminton. Thats the beauty of this thread which wanted to eradicate the malpractice in general. Do you keep on insist that these practices are good to badminton for ever???
Facts already proved that when the regulation is quite fair, only 1 ret or w/o within 116 matches...so if BWF wants to reduce the # of w/o or ret when chn vs chn, simple, set again the 2001 WC regulation. It's silly that member (ROW fans) in here only criticize china and not criticize BWF. That's bcoz their idol is very hard to win major title even though china suffers the most by BWF's unfair regulation
This is quite simple.. Walkovers between players and unnecessary retirements won't help badminton in any case. So, for the well being of the sport and to protect its sovereignity , i request BWF to come up with some solutions to curb those who misuse the regulations. Already, BWF has eradicated the wrong line judgements in some countries by trying to introduce sophisticated cameras to look after the line calls . I appreciate their work and i also insist BWF to come forward with an excellent back-up plan to eradicate intentional walkovers as well.
i have done that and posted. the post was been ignored because plenty of outer space reply. now i am unmotivated because the thread is on the border of get locked. yup,i think i will abandon this thread since the bwf is co cruel and forcing cba todo dirty tricks! ouch,better bwf cancel all international tournament,woohoo! mod can consider to lock it then i will open a new thread for the current year walkover and retired. to fight destruction,we contribute.
from 2006-2013,updated [FONT=&]2006[/FONT][FONT=&] ws 1,xie xing fang vs lu lan,walkover,china master CHINA wd 1,wei yili/zhang yawen vs yang wei/zhang jie wen,walkover,china master CHINA 2007 ms 1,bao chun lai vs chen hong,walkover,malaysia open CHINA 2,chen yu vs wu yun yong,21-18,5-2,retired,german open CHINA 3,bao chun lai vs chen hong,walkover,china open CHINA 4,lin dan vs chen jin,21-16,10-6,retired,hong kong open CHINA ws 1,zhou mi vs wang chen,walkover,hong kong open HONGKONG md 1,koo/tan vs chong/lee,21-19,retired,korea open MALAYSIA 2,cai/fu vs xie/guo,walkover,china master CHINA 3,cai/fu vs xie/guo,walkover,hong kong open CHINA wd 1,zhao tingting/yang wei vs gao ling/zhang jiewen,walkover,singapore open CHINA 2,gao ling/huang sui vs du jing/yu yang,walkover,china master CHINA xd 1,jiang yanmei/hendra vs li yu jia/hendri,walkover,swiss open SINGAPORE 2,nova/natsir vs rijal/polli,walkover,world championship INDONESIA 3,xie zhongbo/zhang yawen vs xu chen/zhaotingting,walkover,china open CHINA 4,gao ling/zheng bo vs xie zhongbo/zhang yawen,walkover,hongkong open CHINA 2008 ms 1,wen kai vs lin dan,walkover,china open CHINA ws 1,lu lan vs wang yihan,walkover,all england CHINA 2,wang lin vs zhu jingjing,walkover,singapore open CHINA md 1,lee yongdae/jung jaesung vs cho/han,walkover,german open KOREA 2,zakry/fairuz vs chong/lee,walkover,singapore open MALAYSIA 3,cai/fu vs xie/guo,21-17,retired,thailand open CHINA wd 1,gao ling/zhao tingting vs yang wei/zhang jiewen,walkover,korea open CHINA 2,du jing/yu yang vs gao ling/zhao tingting,walkover,swiss open CHINA xd 1,flandy/vita vs devin/lita,21-12,retired,korea open INDONESIA 2,gao ling/zheng bo vs xie zhongbo/zhang yawen,16-21,21-6,retired,all england CHINA 3,he hanbin/yu yang vs gao ling/zheng bo,walkover,swiss open CHINA 4,outsuka/seutsuna vs kenichi/naito,walkover,japan open JAPAN 2009 ms 1,lin dan vs chen jin,21-12,11-6 retired,all england CHINA md 1,xu/guo vs cai/fu,walkover,china master CHINA 2,xu/guo vs cai/fu,walkover,china open CHINA ws 1,wang lin vs jiang yanjiao,walkover,asia badminton championship CHINA 2,wang yihan vs wang xin,walkover,french open CHINA wd 1,ha/kim vs lee/lee,walkover, all england KOREA 2,mok/samantha vs francess/vanessa,walkover,singapore open SINGAPORE 3,cheng shu/zhao vs du/yu,walkover,french open CHINA 4,deng/luo vs xie/zhong,walkover,china open CHINA xd 1,clark/kellog vs andrew/sarah,all england ENGLAND 2,tao jiaming/ma jin vs chai biao/zhang yawen,21-19,11-6 retired,asia badminton championship CHINA 3,zheng bo/ma jin vs xu chen/zhao yun lei,5-5 retired,malaysia open CHINA 4,tao/wang vs xie/zhang,13-21,21-19,8-4 retired,china master CHINA 5,chen/zhang vs xie/zhang,walkover,china master CHINA 6,zheng bo/ma jin vs zhang/zhao,walkover,china master CHINA 2010 ms 1,chen long vs bao chunlai,walkover,korea open CHINA 2,chen long vs lin dan,walkover,china open CHINA md 1,kido/setiawan vs alvent/hendra,walkover,hongkong open INDONESIA wd 1,bao yixin/lu lu vs pan/tian,walkover,china master CHINA 2,cheng/zhao vs ma/zhong,walkover,china open china xd 1,sudket/salaree vs songphon/kunchala,walkover,french open THAILAND 2011 ms 1,chen long vs lin dan,walkover,malaysia open CHINA 2,kastens vs lukas,walkover,swiss open GERMAN 3,chen jin vs lin dan,walkover,singapore open CHINA 4,chen long vs lin dan,walkover,japan open CHINA 5,ramdam vs daren,23-21,16-10,retired,indonesia open MALAYSIA 6,chen long vs wang zm,walkover,french open CHINA ws 1,jiang yan jiao vs liu xin,walkover,malaysia open CHINA 2,wang shixian vs liu xin,walkover,all england CHINA 3,wang xin vs li xuerui,walkover,all england CHINA 4,wang shixian vs wang lin,12-8,retired,singapore open CHINA 5,wang shixian vs jiang yanjiao,21-16,8-5,retired,china master CHINA 6,wang yihan vs liu xin,walkover,japan open CHINA 7,wang yihan vs jiang yan jiao,walkover,denmark open CHINA md 1,bona/ahsan vs markus/prima,21-19,retired,indonesia open INDONESIA wd 1,kim/jung vs kim/ha,7-10,retired,china master KOREA 2,xia/tang vs wang/yu,21-19,retired,china master CHINA 3,tian/zhao vs pan/cheng,walkover,french open CHINA xd 1,natsir/tantowi vs rijal/debby,21-17,15-9,retired,india open INDONESIA 2,zhao/zhang vs xu/ma,21-17,retired,world championship CHINA 3,ma/xu vs zhang/zhao,21-18,1-1,retired,china master CHINA 4,he/bao vs xu/ma,21-19,1-1,retired,indonesia open CHINA 2012 Ms 1,lin dan vs chen jin,walkover,bac CHINA 2,chen long vs du peng yu,walkover,china master CHINA 3,wang zheng ming vs chen jin,walkover,china open CHINA Md 1,lee/jung v skim/kim,walkover,german open KOREA Ws 1, ai goto vs mitani minatsu,wakover,Australia open JAPAN 2, li xuerui vs jiang yanjiao,walkover,india ss CHINA 3,li xuerui vs wang yihan,21-12,11-3 retired,hongkong open CHINA 4,li xuerui vs wang shixian,21-9,15-4 retired,SSMF CHINA Xd 1,ryota/ayaka vs saeki/misaki,walkover,Canada open JAPAN 2013[/FONT] [FONT=&]MS[/FONT] [FONT=&]1,hayom vs sony,walkover,Indonesia gpg Indonesia[/FONT] [FONT=&]2,sony vs tommy,21-14,8-3,retired,hongkong open indonesia [/FONT] [FONT=&]WS[/FONT] [FONT=&]1,neha pandit vs trupti murgunde,21-11,11-4 retired,india open india[/FONT] [FONT=&]2,li xue rui vs sun yu,walkover,china master china[/FONT] [FONT=&]3,liu xin vs suo di,walkover,china master china[/FONT] [FONT=&]4,wang shi xian vs li xue rui,walkover,Denmark open china[/FONT] [FONT=&]MD[/FONT] [FONT=&]1,goh/lim vs koo/tan,walkover,Malaysia open Malaysia[/FONT] [FONT=&]2,zakry/fairuz vs gan/tan,21-15,retired,Australia open Malaysia[/FONT] [FONT=&]3,ryan/angga vs berry/ricky,walkover,Indonesia gpg Indonesia[/FONT] [FONT=&]4,kang/liu vs qiu/liu,walkover,japan open china[/FONT] [FONT=&]5,kim/kim vs lee/yoo,11-9,retired,korea gpg korea[/FONT] [FONT=&]WD[/FONT] [FONT=&]1,wang/yu vs cheng/zhao,walkover,korea open china[/FONT] [FONT=&]2,cheng/zhao vs ba/tian,21-17,11-6 retired,all England china [/FONT] [FONT=&]3,jung/kim vs shin/lee,walkover,chinese Taipei korea[/FONT] [FONT=&]4,deng/xiong vs huang/jia,walkover china master china[/FONT] [FONT=&]5,bao/tang vs wang/yu,walkover,Denmark open china[/FONT] [FONT=&]6,wang/yu vs tian/zhao,walkover,china open china[/FONT] [FONT=&]7,choi/park vs eom/shin,walkover,korea gpg korea[/FONT] [FONT=&]8,ma/tang vs yu/wang,walkover, SSMF china[/FONT] [FONT=&]XD[/FONT] [FONT=&]1,guo/luo vs xu/ma,walkover,china master,china[/FONT] [FONT=&]2,zhang/zhao vs kang/ou,china master china[/FONT] [FONT=&]3,lukhi/annisa vs kido/pia,walkover,Indonesia gpg Indonesia[/FONT] [FONT=&]4,zhang/zhao vs xu/ma,walkover,japan open china[/FONT] [FONT=&]4,max/charla vs Johannes/Johanna,London gpg,germany[/FONT] [FONT=&]from 2006-2013 walkover and retired china 71 korea 8 ina 8 mas 5 japan 3 singapore 2[/FONT] [FONT=&]Germany 2 hk,england,thailand,india 1 each.[/FONT]
walkover/retired table per country [TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD]country [/TD] [TD]walkover/retired [/TD] [TD]% of total [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]china [/TD] [TD]71 [/TD] [TD]68.93% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]korea [/TD] [TD]8 [/TD] [TD]7.76% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]indonesia [/TD] [TD]8 [/TD] [TD]7.76% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]malaysia [/TD] [TD]5 [/TD] [TD]4.84% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]japan [/TD] [TD]3 [/TD] [TD]2.91% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]singapore [/TD] [TD]2 [/TD] [TD]1.94% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]germany [/TD] [TD]2 [/TD] [TD]1.94% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]hongkong [/TD] [TD]1 [/TD] [TD]0.97% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]thailand [/TD] [TD]1 [/TD] [TD]0.97% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]india [/TD] [TD]1 [/TD] [TD]0.97% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]england [/TD] [TD]1 [/TD] [TD]0.97% [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
Any idea what the percentage of walkover is, using the amount of time they played against each other? I.e china v china played each other 2006-2013 e.g 200 times with 70 walkovers so that would be 35% walkover rate. (disclaimer!! Just made these figures up) To see that figure compared with other countries % in the same way would be more accurate.
for 2012 version,please read post number 137 for ms and ws,post 165 for cai/fu. this is the summary for 2012 china player only walkover/retired 4 times in 384 matches(against non china)1.04% china player walkover/retired 11 times in 45 matches(against own teammate)24.44% --- i will do one for 2013 when i have enough time
Ah sorry sorry, It is a long thread and was lazy to read through it all. Thanks for pointing out the posts and summary Just out of interest what tournaments you using gpg and up? and has anybody done the other countries? China 1 in 4
yes,gpg,ss,pss and wc. there is an article. http://www.badzine.net/features/sta...hes-not-completed-in-all-china-affairs/17942/ badzine did it with a lots of effort. i doing for the 2013,wont be too long before i post
if u include all matches,yes. but if only between same country,no one beat LINDAN where he involved in 8 walkovers
It was just including country v country, but I did it as you are only generous if you do the gifting not receiving, receiving ain't generous
haha~~~lindan give 5(mostly to save chen jin ass into olympic,oh,i drank too much cold water) and receive 3. chen long is generous too,i agree but lindan fans would say,oh,all lee chong wei victory against lindan was gifted. chen long cant beat lindan on this as he won over lee chong wei in last 4 encounter,not generous enough
china vs china and china vs ROF [TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD]years [/TD] [TD]total against ROW [/TD] [TD]retired/walkover [/TD] [TD]% [/TD] [TD]total against teammate [/TD] [TD]retired/walkover [/TD] [TD]% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2012 [/TD] [TD]384 [/TD] [TD]4 [/TD] [TD]1.04% [/TD] [TD]45 [/TD] [TD]11 [/TD] [TD]24.44% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2013 [/TD] [TD]560 [/TD] [TD]23 [/TD] [TD]4.1% [/TD] [TD]63 [/TD] [TD]13 [/TD] [TD]20.63% [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]total [/TD] [TD]944 [/TD] [TD]27 [/TD] [TD]2.86% [/TD] [TD]108 [/TD] [TD]24 [/TD] [TD]22.22% [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] well,the rate is like 10 times bigger when they meet their teammate pretty suspicious huh?
Yeah for sure. I know this is just a record thread so will not say too much but I think that is definite proof beyond reasonable doubt. In reality is nothing can actually be done about it. Each case has to be taken on it's own merit, if they say they injured/ill and an on site doc can't prove completely otherwise(impossible) then there is nothing that can be done, in fact it would be totally against ethical health and safety to try and bring this figure down.
CHN players participate in tournaments as a team . It's well-known that LYB sends CHN players to participate in tournaments as a team. What we termed as "match-fixing" is bound to happen - because there is nothing wrong for teammates helping each other (as a team). Only when CHN allow their players to participate as individual players (allowing them to fight each other with their best skills), then we will find less walkovers given by CHN players to teammates. This is also one of the reasons why many are not keen to watch matches played between CHN players (even when they play); they know it can be artificial - 'stage-acting'. Thanking limsy for providing the statistics for us to know. .
