not delving into this would mean one more person believing they have good reasons to be 'ashamed to be a Chinese' or in short, anti-chinese. (besides, jug8 you have so proudly phrased such an opinion as part of a topic title, what could have been your intention if not trying to invite discussion and/or hearty agreement? then perhaps you have formed your opinion rather strongly and inappropriately. even if Chen Jin was guilty of being playing cheat, then you can only say that he is a shame to the Chinese name. he should not be the (or even a) reason you should feel ashamed being a Chinese. if it's easier to underline my point should i ask: of which nationality would you be prouder to be, then? one in which every one of their citizens are comparatively faultless and saint-like.
What I observed was that CJ swipped his sweat onto the feather of the shuttlecock to make heavier like what he did against Taufik @ Macau Open 2007. It's undeniable that CJ was a better player yesterday. With or without the manipulation of the shuttlecock, Taufik couldn't beat him. A breakthru for CJ as this is the only major title that CJ won by his own effort.
I admit I sometimes lack the articulateness to word things the best I can. Consider it 'in the heat of the moment' with my blood pumping very heavily. The title was the least of my concern. Perhaps you have worded it much better. Thank you for understanding.
I admire the subtle sting in your words. Something I have no talent / ability for. Lest I Misunderstood.
Very interesting observation courtside. Perhaps I am not as alone as I once thought. I was rooting both ways till I realized in the second set. Then I got disappointed as well
As I have said earlier, you cannot manipulate a shuttlecock to either slow or speed it up without increasing or reducing its diameter, respectively. To do this you must bend the tops of the feathers either inwards (to increase speed from a smaller diameter) or outwards (to reduce its speed becasue of a larger diameter). To do this without shuttle wobble you must bend all the feathers uniformly in both its bend-point from the feather tips and its angles either inwards or outwards. This takes time and can be seen as daylight robbery or stupidity in full view of everyone. Umpires can examine a shuttle for any bends and they are easy to spot and also feel as the feathers have lost rigidity. So I can confidently say with some authority that CJ did not manipulate to slow down the shuttle. BTW, I design feather shuttlecocks and diameters of both feathers and base are important design parameters besides weight and rotational speed in deciding a shuttlecock's speed. However, that is not to say that mind games are not used during games. They often are. Examples like pretending to manipulate a shuttle to upset an opponent by making him suspicious or challenging an opponent by complaining about shuttle manipulation, etc.
To be honest, i'm not a specialist of shuttelcock or what he did exactly and in wihch purpose. But i confirm that Chen jin made some strange manipulation with the shuttlecock's when he turned back between points. And i saw it before Taufik complained just like i said before. And i also confirm that from the point the umpire said something he stoppped because i was focus on him between each point. But i also confirmed that the umpire seems very confused when he compares the shuttles. But after that he was very focused on Chen jin until he asked him to see the shuttle. The strange thing is that Taufik played better after that. Was it onlys psycholigical ?
All things being equal, CJ was the better player in the final. There is no denying about this. Period. But based on kming's comments, where he was at courtside and witnessed CJ did something to the shuttle to his advantage. This is not good. If he really did that, it's worse than other forms of ungentleman tactics, apart from the one Brice described. And for Taufik, I think if he were to lose, let it be fair and square. He also complained about this when they last met and since he has been losing so frequent lately to other players too, why must he picked Chen Jin?
off topic: ..My friend, Taufik already has a WC Gold medal. That is already good enough for me. Why must i be jumping for joy with another medal?.. ..i certainly remember watching a video of CJ doing the same as described in bold above, as if trying to manipulate the stem/feathers by pressing. But i don't recall him doing it every single time. - But are you sure he never did the same against other players? If he's done it before, then why aren't there complaints from other players about him tampering the shuttle? - From watching his match vs. Taufik, the way he held the shuttle (with 3 fingers holding the inside of the feathers) prior to the serve isn't any different from the way he held the shuttle in his match against Ville Lang (in one of the earlier rounds). See video below, at 2:06. - Also, i heard from the commentator, at 2:24 in video below, apparently there was a bit of a difference in the air draft/speed from one side of the court to the other. Perhaps if the complaint is all about shuttle speed, maybe it's somewhat related to the air draft. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Ctepkdmo4 Off topic: About Chen Jin benefiting from Xia Xuanze's tutelage, i think yes to a certain point. If i recall, XXZ became one of CHN's coaching staff after 2007. And CJ had beaten Taufik in 2007 without XXZ guidance. IMO, CJ's performance is as good as his opponent's performance, which in this case, Taufik's level of play in comparison to CJ is not the same.
From what i see and understand, Taufi was in the rapid side in the second game (when he complained the most). Apart from that Chen jin was really the best on court yesterday. Alos in his body language has Gill Clarck used to say.
If only you knew some insider stories And what I meant by world class in Canada is: how often do you see these world class umpires over there? I think I can say Europe has the largest number of international tournaments played (in an area the same size as Canada) ...
when you break the end of the feathers (1 out of 4, or 1 out of 2), it slows the speed of the shuttle
i have read your earlier post i do believe you and i think so are most of the readers. readers what say you all? you were there and i can't find a reason why you would make up such a story chen jin then probably was manipulating the shuttle's speed for his own benefit or to disturb taufik's tempo. as for taufik's playing turned to better after shuttle dispute, i think a few members here has reasoned as a good gasp of air for taufik but what about chen jin, he too had the same good gasp of air. as for taneepak claiming the only way to slow down or speed up a shuttle is to bend the feathers one by one inwards or outwards and no other way? with such a reason i can only find it coming from by an amateur maybe designing and manipulating are totally 2 different things.
you sure have a point here between chen jin and taufik if i were to bet on money i would bet on chen jin even though i like taufik to win yes, for a member like kming to be there, with a 'live' report there must be something cooking and as for this manipulating of shuttle it sure works and i didn't really hint all earlier. i am sure many members are smiling as they know what i am talking about...lol
It depends which side you bend the tips of the feathers. If inwards the diameter becomes smaller and the speed increases. The reverse applies if bent outwards. Bending only 1 out of 4 feathers or 1 out of 2 feathers will make the rotation of the shuttle less than ideal and affects playability. Bending all the feathers is better but it requires a fine touch, and even that the rigidity of the shuttle is adversely affected. Of course all the above have huge tell tale signs and the cheating player will be caught red-handed.
I was also rooting for Taufik but the fact is that CJ was the favourite even before the match and we have more or less knew the result. As for the red font, we all know...'cos we all play badminton.
What i saw on the match, the ref was later (not immidiately) warned CJ about something after TH complained. As a ref, i think he agreed with TH but blaming CJ immidiately would attract more consequenses as its clearly illegal in tampering the shuttle, should CJ get points deduction? So the ref choosed to ignore the complain then warned CJ later on. I think its a wise decision. I would not accuse CJ of doing this intentionally, IMO maybe he did it without thinking too much at that time, only CJ himself can answer it. As for TH, i also dont think that its his tactic in delaying or playing psycic game, any player playing in WC final would complaint if you see your opponent tampering with the shuttle. Plus, no TH fan would complain about it (you can check on TH thread), so please dont take this thread as if TH and TH fans are accusing CJ cheating. No fuss about it, this things happen its part of the game. End of story.
