Hahaha, Nelson Heg is MD player. Let's see if he & his partner Teo Ee Yi can capture the 2011 WJC title 1st.
Nope, Nelson is a MD player so he will not be up against Hayom. I'm not too sure about the 2010 WJC runner-up, but I know that Goh Wei Shem, a 20 year old boy from MAS also has a very powerful smash.
Correction. I had made the suggestion for separate periods as well as separating singles and doubles. I seem to recall that drift mentioned the difficulty of creating the necessary periods, and had suggested that we use the past 30 years (1980-2010) as the single period of relevance to make the final choices.
just a suggestion to this thread i think the op wants everyone to list out their own best smasher(s) ever lived and according to their opinion. if i am not wrong above and if members are not aware of this, i also think there will be a lot of unnecessary debating here.... why not let each and everyone have their say first and later use a poll to determine who's the hardest, deadly, who's ....? set a due date for the poll or something... the scenario probably would be like this: member 1 may say makis kido or mosquito doesn't have a powerful smash then comes along several members saying mosquito has very good repeating smashes then if there are no other members mentioning other player(s) for repeating smashes then there goes the answer btw, i haven't seen anyone mentioning chen chang jee, think name spelled wrongly. i don't have proof of his smashing speed record or anything here but i do know when i was there watching him playing in kl, i can say this guy really wack the shuttle. he could smash from the baseline and the shuttle would collapsed and end up somewhere under the linesmen chair. after the match i went over to look at the collapsed shuttle and mind you there were several of them all very new! i am sure some members must have seen that match
- If you have read & understood a few of the members' posts, as well as mine, and drifit's post, carefully, you would see the bigger picture and what we're trying to get across. That way, it won't be necessary for me to give you a lengthy explanation above. - The separate threads/polls (whatever) at least would give more options and names; 24 names instead of only 12 names. It goes back to the idea of this being a subjective and broad topic and names would be popping up left and right. - Your reason of why this or that player should or should not be on the list shows how subjective this thread/poll is. You can take MK's current bad string of results and getting pummeled by FHF & CY but another person doesn't look at that but instead looks at his past results prior to his injury. Same with JJS. The one abt the MAS junior is just a......tease. - Should you/we define what or give a few criterias to determine which players fall in the BEST SMASHER category? I think that would help in selecting the players. That way the list won't look like "Yoppy's list of World's BEST SMASHER ever lived?"..or maybe you want this thread to be like that.. - The one about net player is pretty simple because it only asks for MD players (not both disciplines), or at least that's what it's all about (if i recall, it was made clear in the first sentence of the 1st post in that thread). - Personally, i probably won't put in my vote in this; could really care less.
Personally...i think the world best smasher for double are........ Lim Siew King is on top Zhao Jian Hua shoulder while Zhao is jumping......hahahahahaha.....common bro........cheeers will you
So having 24 names is less subjective?? Probably yes, but its still subjective. As I said i dont mind this thread to be split into 2, if mod can change the title and someone start another thread. That scenario of subjectivity will always accour regardless. We all know about it without you having to point out. It was also the case in the "best net player" thread. And it will also the case even if this thread is split into 2. Thats exactly why i dont want to give too much of my own criteria, simply because this thing its not for me to decide. My criteria may not suit yours, dont you think so?? Everyone have their own opion about it. It does not make much different IMO I dont think anybody will be disappointed about that
Therein lies the problem of such a poll. It's very difficult to choose. I'd have to say the title of such a poll would be better put as "Most effective smasher" (only a suggestion). Thus, the emphasis is on smashes that create winning situations OR wins points. Therefore, a really hard smasher who wins lots of points will be included. Also included would be the 'clever' smashers. Just saying best smasher would be difficult as people have their own definition of what is 'the best'.
1. Zhao Jianhua 2. 3. 4. Kim Moon Soo 5. Lin Dan 6. Taufik Hidayat 7. 8. Fu HaiFeng 9. 10. Liem Swie King 11. Haryanto Arbi 12. Cheah Soon Kit So I took out a few names. Yang Yang was out. I think his court craft made the smashes look more effective. If you watch the matches, he is very patient pulling the opponent around out of position before changing pace. LiYongBo is not there either. Halim is out as is TBH. I agree they hit hard but used intelligently to make it stand out? TBH has some consistency difficulties that reduces effectiveness. There are a few Indonesian names that stand out in my mind - Rudy Gunawan Rexy Ricky Sigit Danes Peter Gade (the pre-knee injury version) Jens Eriksson's last partner (whose name I can't remember at the moment LOL) Not hard smash but used very effectively.
if we are talking here about effectiveness like creating winning shots or win points, what about misbun sidek 'chop smash'? in his prime that was his main weapon and it was very effective and chen changjie? the one-smash-collapsed-shuttle guy?
hmm, you do go back a long way Misbun, yes effective. Consistent with it? Chen ChangJie - I cannot recall his play.
hahaha... misbun did beat quite a lot of top players during his time and almost all his winning points were from his 'chop smash' so i would say in his game, yes his consistent weapon! as for chen changjie i could not find anything from youtube but until today i haven't came across a smasher like him!
Since there are so many names being raised, it'll never ends. Good to keep people from bored. A voting system will help. Those who are crazy about their heros can always vote more. Exercise the fingers. lol.
- I'll take a less subjective (and well defined topic and criterias) thread/poll any day, thank you very much. - The "best net player" thread is more specific. True, subjectivity is still there (in that "best net player" thread), but at least not as much as currently in this thread. - You have your own criteria(s)? Where? Have you described them in this thread? (my bad if i missed them)..
Yes! You watch him smash - he definitely doesn't hit crazy hard like some of the others but it's really steep and effective. Yes, but how many times did he lose points on the 'chop' smash?
Yoppy declined to give criteria given that the poll topic is very difficult to define. Therefore, I put my suggestion forward about "effectiveness" as it is effectiveness that wins points or creates the situation for winning points. i.e. the outcome. And I truly agree that a poll is better served by well defined criteria
