BWF sanctions Kim Ki Jung, Lee Yong Dae for 1 year

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  1. cobalt

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    That really would be big brother stuff.
    I think at least it can be conceded that the purpose of WADA and testing is to catch drug cheats. But what is happening is people are being punished for being poor at administration and organization(not even necessarily missing a tester at said place, you can just be caught for not updating or having wrong detail that they cross check), with this in mind I think the system is carrying out an injustice here with 1-2 year bans. The system has to work somehow, but that doesn't stack up for me.

    As it stands, no hope for LYD and Kim appeal going well though, it's pretty clearly laid out.
     
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    To those who PM-ed about what ADAMS is:

    It's the Anti-Doping Administration & Management System.
    It's run and maintained by the WADA - the World Anti-Doping Agency.
     
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    In fact, there's already an official ADAMS App.
    And it works precisely how you wanted it - by GPS :p

    It's been available since April 2013.
    (Incidentally, it was first developed by the Anti-Doping Agency of The Netherlands for their own athletes' use.)
     
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    Yes, this current system places a significant burden on the athlete to be where he says he is, just so that we can keep the world of sports free of PED's. It is a heavy price for these athletes to accept and pay, and the room for injustice meted out is unacceptably high.

    May as well insert gps chips under their skin to simplify tracking and updating their "whereabouts". No worries of forgetting to enter info or change info if there's a sudden change in location. Think about it: insert the chip or risk a 1-2 yr ban. [​IMG]
     
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    There you go...
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adams-app/id755747919?ls=1&mt=8

    The WADA also has another app to help athletes find out if a particular substance is on the prohibited list.
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/wada-prohibited-list-2014/id408057950?mt=8

    And quite a few national sports bodies have their own apps that athletes can use to check whatever they intend to use (or are already using) against the updated checklist put out by the WADA.

    Denmark, Ireland, Switzerland, Lithuania, The Netherlands are a few of the countries that have developed their own app to help keep their sportspersons out of trouble.
     
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    That app doesn't constantly update your location via GPS as visor stated.
     
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    Of course, I was purposely being facetious when suggesting gps chip insertion... In order to make a point about the hefty price and loss of freedom that athletes must face, in order to catch a few cheats. I don't have any solutions, but there must be a better way.
     
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    Even this (below) would be better to stop naive young athletes who get everything organized for them and trust their coaches/team too much getting caught out.(which is what happened in this case)

    Fine after 3 failures. 1 more strike and out for 2 years. After the initial 3, a meeting must be held between the athlete and wada, so wada can inform athlete that he needs to take over responsibility and show him availability of all these great apps etc, Give him a chance at least.
     
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    ^ Perhaps wada prefers to use deterrence instead of education? iono.gif
     
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    and speaking on loss of freedom, when was the last job or career that we had that required us to post up our whereabouts for 365 days a year 24 hours a day... or face being laid off for 1-2 yrs if wrong?
     
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    BWF is the authority that issues the sanctions. BWF draws up specific regulations for badminton players. Here is the complete file for anti-doping Regulations prepared by BWF and effective January 1, 2009.

    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=27545

    The regulations appear to be very comprehensive. The Regulations have been in place since 5 years now. The Associations are clued in. The players are clued in. For the relevant sections of sanctions (skipping testing etc) go to page 13, read from 10.3 onwards.

    Also of interest is to go to Page 20 and read up on Sanctions and Costs assessed against Member Associations.
     
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    Does you job or career have a situation where taking banned substances would unfairly increase your chances of winning over another person on an international stage -where the competition is often between just a handful of the 7 billion other people on earth? -Where there was a responsibility and commitment to follow a code of conduct and where entire fortunes and businesses could turn on the results of a few minutes of a game? Sponsorships, endorsements, and national pride can create unreal pressure, but the rewards are also unreal.And so, some take unreal risks.

    "Loss of freedom" is relative to everything you value. Maybe you should ask most of these poor athletes how inconvenienced they feel about the occasional test. Would they be willing to trade in their shackles of being a poor misunderstood pro international athlete, for the shackles of a desk job or a call centre? Where many thousands regularly get laid off anyway for no fault of their own?
     
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    ^ Fortune, fame, untold glory and rewards... clearly I'm in the wrong profession... :)
     
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    On a side note, it's too bad Hollywood isn't under the WADA.
    Imagine if professional artistes were bound by these rules... :rolleyes:

    Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston and Philip Seymour Hoffman would be alive.
    Amanda Bynes, Lindsay Lohan and Charlie Sheen would still have top careers.
    And Britney Spears and Justin Bieber wouldn't be riding the Down elevator :eek:
     
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    Although if you think about the penalties imposed, sure they would be alive but their careers would be so-called sanctioned or banned for at least a few years anyways, if only for deterrence purposes.
     
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    This is a joke right. All good music and film is born out of drugs. That is one industry that WADA would completely destroy, not help. These folk you mentioned are tortured souls, if it wasn't drugs it would be something else.
     
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    IMHO, it's one thing to use drugs.
    And it's another thing to abuse drugs.
     
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    The problem with these psychoactive drugs is that they're addictive and has a weaker effect over time. This eventually inexorably leads the user to overuse, abuse, and sometimes overdose. That's why they're illegal. ;)
     

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