Definition of Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced

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  1. K4mu1

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    When he's on Fire ~_~.... When he's not... He's suck...
     
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    LOL

    Taufik's backhand is so good, it may as well be a second forehand.

    @K4mu1: But you could say that about anyone.
     
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    Well... yea xD... lol... But, Taufik rarely reach the point of being on fire. Although I believe he'd be no 1 if he's at least as stable as Lin Dan. Since, he's... unbelieveable when he's on fire xD.
     
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    Note

    Please take the fan commentary elsewhere.
    This thread is not on any particular player.
     
  5. chris-ccc

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    Basically, we can classify players into 3 categories

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    jk1980 ... This might help (based on the criteria used by our club).

    Basically, we can classify players into 3 categories:
    Beginner
    Intermediate
    Advanced


    (1) Beginner:
    A. Skill to perform all strokes required ......... Poor
    B. Knowledge of the Badminton laws .......... Lacking

    (2) Intermediate:
    A. Skill to perform all strokes required ......... Good
    B. Knowledge of the Badminton laws .......... Adequate

    (3) Advanced:
    A. Skill to perform all strokes required ......... Excellent
    B. Knowledge of the Badminton laws .......... Comprehensive

    As for Professionals; If you get paid to play, then you are one. :):):)

    Hope you will enjoy your Badminton... regardless of what levels you are at.

    :):):)
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    Often times, u think you've improved considerably... can be considered intermediate....then join a new group of people...all of a sudden feel like degraded back to beginner level...<sigh>
     
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    My own take on this:

    Beginner: Anything below intermediate

    Entry Intemediate: Able to direct shuttle in any direction from any court position when not under pressure with very good success. Good basic footwork that allows court coverage between all 4 corners. Observes opponent's playing style and starts to form and deploy strategies/tactics against them. Doubles: Understand the formations and movements, and effectively covers for the partner who is taking the shot.

    Entry Advanced: Able to direct shuttle in any direction from any court position even when under pressure with good success. Very good footwork that not only covers the basic 4 corners but is able to adapt the most effective footwork to the appropriate situations. Understands and effectively deploy strategies/tactics against opponents. Doubles: Understands own and opponent's partnership and effectively leverage on the various traits to improve results.

    So beginners are all about strokes, intermediates are about understanding tactics, and advanced players uses tactics effectively.
     
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    Hehe... gone thru so many of such rounds I now consider myself as a beginner all the time. Just slightly better than those who just started holding a racket.
     
  9. taneepak

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    I believe Malaysia doesn't have a grading system. Grading system, if any, varies with different countries. Some countries have a system like Open, grade A, grade B, C, D, E, etc. A grade B in say Canada is perhaps 2 grades lower than in Hong Kong. I have had Canadians who were sponsored players by, if I recollect correctly, Victor and to me they were closer to some D/E players in Hong Kong.
    The best and simplest grading system is very good and not very good.
     
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    well each country has its own grading system the only flaw lies in when comparing 2 conutries such as taneepak's example and it is true that there are small countries out there with professional players but when they get compared to a bigger country that does more training etc then the profesional players from the small country might get stuck near the bottom compared to the larger countries players.

    just what i think about it:

    a beginner is somebody who is starting to or has learnt the basics but is not consistint and doesnt have very effective footwork to move or cover the court. they cant place the shuttle where they want it to and are more or less just hitting it back and forth learning how to hit it where they want it to go.

    an intemediate player is a player who has developed footwork and consistincy as well as some game stragety. they still arnt super consistint or the fastest on court however. they are starting to get into physical shape or are in a decent physicl shape in terms of fitness and all. they are able to start to put the shuttle where they want it but under the pressure of a game things might not always be friendly for them.

    an advanced player is one who has furthered their consistincy and does not crash under pressure or let their shots be sffected by pressure as well as honing their footwork to be explosive and fast on court. they know what shots to play and when to play them. ontop of that they are in great physical shape. they are able to place the shots where they want them to go.

    a professional player is somebody who represents their country internationaly in tournaments, holds a world ranking or has held one, or is paid to play and represent as well they most likley hold a sponsorship. and yes have greater qualities than an advanced player.

    just my opinion on that.
     
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    Beginner - Men who play badminton to court women or women who play badminton to know more men.

    Intermediate - People who have nothing better to do after works.

    Advanced - Players who bet more than RM10 a game.

    Professional- People who feel bored playing badminton but badminton is the only way they know how to earn a living.

    Just my 2cents!
     
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    r there shots that a person at a level should be able to hit/return
    bcz its difficult to judge someone by saying that i 'move around the court pretty well' . i know the right technique to hit the shots but lack consistency, so where would u place me?
     
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    As long as you are enjoying playing Badminton, you should be happy

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    saifiii ... Probably, you are an Intermediate player.

    But why worry about which level you are at?

    As long as you are enjoying playing Badminton, you must be happy.

    :):):)
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    Unless you are comparing players who have world rankings, any grading system is either local in scope or arbitrary.

    This division of players -- into beginner, intermediate, or advanced -- can be useful for a club or small group. But outside a small group, it becomes meaningless.

    Despite the meaninglessness of these classifications, players still want to know which category they fall in. Asking a player for his level of play is futile, because you get a response that is based more on personality than anything objective. The response tells you nothing about his real level of play, but it does tell you something about his personality or how he feels about himself. ;)

    So we have a hopelessly vague standard, which is further confused by players being either modest or boastful.

    I have no idea whether I'm a beginner, an intermediate player, or an advanced player. I have no definitive frame of reference. Next to complete beginners I may look like a pro; next to a pro, I look like a complete beginner. ;)

    We had a fun time at one of the Badminton England coaching courses, when we (the coaches) were asked to decide, "What is a beginner?" Needless to say, confusion reigned, and even a room full of coaches could not reach an agreement. :D
     
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    :D

    I could never get bored of badminton, not even if I was as good as Lin Dan.
     
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    if u got a chance.. try playing badminton 8hours aday, 6days week..

    after 8hours of playing, start watching your own replays for 4hours...

    :cool:

    You have no idea that most retire pro players hardly play the game anymore, they just earn a living by coaching!
     
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    I would love to play for 8 hours a day. I play for at least 5 on Saturdays already. OK, the replay thing would be tedious but if you want to be number 1, you'd have to do it.

    Also, even earning a living through coaching is still badminton.
     
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    5hours a week is nothing compare to 8x6 a week....

    Most ex international who stick to badminton because that the best way the can earn a better living through coaching...

    there isnt love anymore, is routine...

    their love is more towards G0lf!
     
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    Actually in Indonesia, they're still playing xD... You can always find some money on the field through Bet lol ! Nah just kidding, most of them are coaching (as you say ~_~)
     
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    Well... That's odd :eek: I've seen someone with a good "putting" skill xD... But has sticky leg, can't move good. Is this still considered Advanced...? I'd put him at intermediate xD... Since that means he got bad bad footwork.

    I think there must be certain ratio of saying what's good what's bad.

    Example :
    Skill / Technique (30%)
    Footwork (20%)
    Accuracy (10%)
    Mental (10%)
    Composure (5%)
    Tactics (5%)
    Stamina / Body (10%)
    Power (10%)

    Beginner <55
    Intermediate <65
    Advanced <80
    Professional 80++

    This should do it xD... Judging a player at certain level by watching at this points. Other opinion is appreciated xD.
     
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