Match Fixing???

04-09-2001, 07:45 AM

Could anyone please tell me whether there is any truth in what I was told by a reliable source from within the badminton industry that when certain pairings from any Asian nation are in need of some points in order for them to qualify for lets say the Olympic games, they are told to loose the match/es in order for the pair that needs the points to qualify.

Although I personally dont think that the 2000 All England Mens Doubles Ch'ships was fixed between Koreans, but maybe that was because they were not in need of qualifying points for forthcoming tournaments.

I hope no one is offended by my asking this question but I need reassurance that Match fixing does not take place, (as i will never be able to watch a badminton video the same way again.

Appreciate any response.

04-09-2001, 10:16 AM

Because of this, I almost never watch matches between
asian players from the same country. You never know
what the politics are at any given moment......

*kwun* · 04-09-2001, 03:14 PM

that really depends. i am sure some level of match fixing does take place.

one that i think is suspect is the 1999 Indo open MD final. Candra/Tony were playing quite terribly against Ricky/Rexy. that was teh time when Ricky/Rexy was low in the world ranking and then the Olympics was coming up in a year's time..

a well known one is of course Gong vs. Ye in the Olympics. but we shouldn't bring that up again....

i always wonder about the Chinese ladies. on one hand, they have so many players / pairs, it give them more opportunities to match fix. but then, they are so dominant in their events, they probably won't need to match fix.

Adel · 04-09-2001, 09:24 PM

My two won worth:

The Gong and Ye controversy is well-known, but how abt Gao Ling and Huang Sui (apparently) throwing their SF Olympic match against Ge Fei and Gu Jun? This was (again) verified by the Chinabadminton site and Gao/Huang's province was awarded the gold medal points in the jiu3 yun4 hui4 (I STILL dunno whazzit called in English). I'm sure everyone knows that Ge/Gu are abt the most amazing WD team in the world and probably didn't need that "extra assistance" to win... s'ppose it was to prevent them from tiring out in the SF so they would be able to beat Ra Kyung Min/Chung Jae Hee in the finals (but this final never occurred coz Yang Wei/Huang Nanyan won the other SF match)... no doubt Ge/Gu have a better record agst the Koreans, but the latter have beaten them on some very rare occasions and it was probably a preventive measure.

Another one on WD: Indarti Issolina/Vita Marissa (dunno them very well) were s'pposedly asked to lose their match agst Etty Tantri/Cynthia s'pposedly to allow the latter to gain more pts and be seeded at Sydney. That was during the 2000 Indonesian Open and IBF even asked PBSI to carry out an investigation (what's it come to?). Source was the JKT Post.

*Cheung* · 04-09-2001, 09:33 PM

The solution is for other countries to improve their players.

04-09-2001, 10:22 PM

For the record (the Olympic semis), it's Gao Ling/Qin Yinyuan vs Ge/Gu. I am not sure whether the match was fixed, but looking at their previous encounters, there is no fight at all (look at the low scores)..

viver · 04-09-2001, 11:57 PM

It's called strength preservation or strategic planning or however you like to call it. It most likely to happen when players from same country play each other. It does not only happen with China but also with Indonesia, Korea, etc. It's present not only in badminton but you can find it also in table tennis, track and field, formula 1, etc.

Adel · 04-10-2001, 06:07 AM

Oops...sorry, yes it was Qin Yiyuan. Huang Sui took over after she reitred.

Brett · 04-10-2001, 10:00 AM

Cheung, isn't the better solution to give the coaching staff a 1 year ban from coaching and give a six month suspension from international competition to all players knowingly participating in the scheme? It's a harsh remedy, but it should provide a good incentive for teams to play fairly instead of cheating in this fashion.

It might be hard to prove some of these violations, but I think it's still worth the effort. By analogy, many crimes are difficult to investigate, but that doesn't stop our law enforcement agencies from trying to arrest the criminals and produce sufficient evidence for a conviction.

04-11-2001, 08:05 AM

What a load of ********.

viver · 04-12-2001, 12:51 AM

Whether you like it or not it's present and it's the way most countries do. Isn't Adel doing a favour translating some news from Chinese papers where the coach admits that? Wasn't Korean players warned in badminton tournaments for not playing their best when not in finals? Have you paid attention to Indonesian players competing each other when not in finals? And possibly even in finals where finalists are players from same country they may not be giving their best.
About other sports, how about table tennis? Who are the Chinese players that have migrated for not obeying their coaches? Do you watch the track and field in Olympics? In middle/long distance runs what do runners from same country do? In formula 1, didn't you see the leading pilot slowing down the car in the last lap so his teammate could cross the finnish line and win the points to get the championship? Well, just a question of looking around.

05-23-2001, 08:38 AM

Viver is basically right. The idea for this "match fixing" is to allow the player to score as many points as possible so that he/she can rise in the seedings. Now, if your country has, say, 8 players in the top 16 seeds, the chances of your country winning any major tournament is greatly increased. In the World Grand Prix, only top 16 players are invited!! So, if you are not in the top 16, very sorry!! Try again next year!!

Winston_T · 04-02-2008, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by viver

About other sports, how about table tennis? Who are the Chinese players that have migrated for not obeying their coaches? Do you watch the track and field in Olympics? In middle/long distance runs what do runners from same country do? In formula 1, didn't you see the leading pilot slowing down the car in the last lap so his teammate could cross the finnish line and win the points to get the championship? Well, just a question of looking around.

Rubens Barichello and Michael Schumacher in Austrian GP 2002.
Schumi never won in Austria before.

Winston_T · 04-02-2008, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwun

that really depends. i am sure some level of match fixing does take place.

one that i think is suspect is the 1999 Indo open MD final. Candra/Tony were playing quite terribly against Ricky/Rexy. that was teh time when Ricky/Rexy was low in the world ranking and then the Olympics was coming up in a year's time..

it's interesting to heard the reason why PBSI did it?

*drifit* · 04-02-2008, 08:01 AM

wow...
revive after 8 years.......
this is how long BC been through

wocdam · 04-02-2008, 09:07 AM

and the topic discussed in this thread is still happening

Birdwood · 04-02-2008, 09:56 AM

The practice might have happened long time ago. It does not mean they are still doing it. It's less relevant to discuss those old instances now. The countries may have improved or changed since.

04-09-2001, 07:45 AM	#1
AS Guest Posts: n/a	Match Fixing??? Could anyone please tell me whether there is any truth in what I was told by a reliable source from within the badminton industry that when certain pairings from any Asian nation are in need of some points in order for them to qualify for lets say the Olympic games, they are told to loose the match/es in order for the pair that needs the points to qualify. Although I personally dont think that the 2000 All England Mens Doubles Ch'ships was fixed between Koreans, but maybe that was because they were not in need of qualifying points for forthcoming tournaments. I hope no one is offended by my asking this question but I need reassurance that Match fixing does not take place, (as i will never be able to watch a badminton video the same way again. Appreciate any response.

04-09-2001, 10:16 AM	#2
cb Guest Posts: n/a	Worst-kept secret Because of this, I almost never watch matches between asian players from the same country. You never know what the politics are at any given moment......

04-09-2001, 03:14 PM	#3
kwun Administrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA Posts: 20,012	Re: Match Fixing??? that really depends. i am sure some level of match fixing does take place. one that i think is suspect is the 1999 Indo open MD final. Candra/Tony were playing quite terribly against Ricky/Rexy. that was teh time when Ricky/Rexy was low in the world ranking and then the Olympics was coming up in a year's time.. a well known one is of course Gong vs. Ye in the Olympics. but we shouldn't bring that up again.... i always wonder about the Chinese ladies. on one hand, they have so many players / pairs, it give them more opportunities to match fix. but then, they are so dominant in their events, they probably won't need to match fix.

04-09-2001, 09:24 PM	#4
Adel Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Evanston, IL, USA Posts: 1,147	Re: Match Fixing??? My two won worth: The Gong and Ye controversy is well-known, but how abt Gao Ling and Huang Sui (apparently) throwing their SF Olympic match against Ge Fei and Gu Jun? This was (again) verified by the Chinabadminton site and Gao/Huang's province was awarded the gold medal points in the jiu3 yun4 hui4 (I STILL dunno whazzit called in English). I'm sure everyone knows that Ge/Gu are abt the most amazing WD team in the world and probably didn't need that "extra assistance" to win... s'ppose it was to prevent them from tiring out in the SF so they would be able to beat Ra Kyung Min/Chung Jae Hee in the finals (but this final never occurred coz Yang Wei/Huang Nanyan won the other SF match)... no doubt Ge/Gu have a better record agst the Koreans, but the latter have beaten them on some very rare occasions and it was probably a preventive measure. Another one on WD: Indarti Issolina/Vita Marissa (dunno them very well) were s'pposedly asked to lose their match agst Etty Tantri/Cynthia s'pposedly to allow the latter to gain more pts and be seeded at Sydney. That was during the 2000 Indonesian Open and IBF even asked PBSI to carry out an investigation (what's it come to?). Source was the JKT Post.

04-09-2001, 09:33 PM	#5
Cheung Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hong Kong SAR, China Posts: 8,856	Re: Match Fixing??? The solution is for other countries to improve their players.

04-09-2001, 10:22 PM	#6
Al Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Match Fixing??? For the record (the Olympic semis), it's Gao Ling/Qin Yinyuan vs Ge/Gu. I am not sure whether the match was fixed, but looking at their previous encounters, there is no fight at all (look at the low scores)..

04-09-2001, 11:57 PM	#7
viver Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,602	Re: Match Fixing??? It's called strength preservation or strategic planning or however you like to call it. It most likely to happen when players from same country play each other. It does not only happen with China but also with Indonesia, Korea, etc. It's present not only in badminton but you can find it also in table tennis, track and field, formula 1, etc.

04-10-2001, 06:07 AM	#8
Adel Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Evanston, IL, USA Posts: 1,147	Re: Match Fixing??? Oops...sorry, yes it was Qin Yiyuan. Huang Sui took over after she reitred.

04-10-2001, 10:00 AM	#9
Brett Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,006	Re: Match Fixing??? Cheung, isn't the better solution to give the coaching staff a 1 year ban from coaching and give a six month suspension from international competition to all players knowingly participating in the scheme? It's a harsh remedy, but it should provide a good incentive for teams to play fairly instead of cheating in this fashion. It might be hard to prove some of these violations, but I think it's still worth the effort. By analogy, many crimes are difficult to investigate, but that doesn't stop our law enforcement agencies from trying to arrest the criminals and produce sufficient evidence for a conviction.

04-11-2001, 08:05 AM	#10
AS Guest Posts: n/a	viver What a load of ********.

04-12-2001, 12:51 AM	#11
viver Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,602	Re: viver Whether you like it or not it's present and it's the way most countries do. Isn't Adel doing a favour translating some news from Chinese papers where the coach admits that? Wasn't Korean players warned in badminton tournaments for not playing their best when not in finals? Have you paid attention to Indonesian players competing each other when not in finals? And possibly even in finals where finalists are players from same country they may not be giving their best. About other sports, how about table tennis? Who are the Chinese players that have migrated for not obeying their coaches? Do you watch the track and field in Olympics? In middle/long distance runs what do runners from same country do? In formula 1, didn't you see the leading pilot slowing down the car in the last lap so his teammate could cross the finnish line and win the points to get the championship? Well, just a question of looking around.

05-23-2001, 08:38 AM	#12
Ron Guest Posts: n/a	Re: viver Viver is basically right. The idea for this "match fixing" is to allow the player to score as many points as possible so that he/she can rise in the seedings. Now, if your country has, say, 8 players in the top 16 seeds, the chances of your country winning any major tournament is greatly increased. In the World Grand Prix, only top 16 players are invited!! So, if you are not in the top 16, very sorry!! Try again next year!!

04-02-2008, 08:01 AM	#15
drifit Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Selangor, Malaysia Posts: 5,261	wow... revive after 8 years....... this is how long BC been through

04-02-2008, 09:07 AM	#16
wocdam Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lion City Posts: 539	and the topic discussed in this thread is still happening

04-02-2008, 09:56 AM	#17
Birdwood Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CA Posts: 1,469	The practice might have happened long time ago. It does not mean they are still doing it. It's less relevant to discuss those old instances now. The countries may have improved or changed since.