Coaches; your attention please.

Aleik · 07-13-2004, 07:01 PM

Good morning.

On the back of having demonstrated my first, moderately successful coaching session to a pupil, I realised that I hadn't prepared as well as I might have liked. The session should have been much more fluent, and I may have been teaching things too quickly, in the wrong order, in an ineffective way, etc. The problem is, I'm not sure where to pinpoint the faux pas. Perhaps it was lack of experience.

I've no doubt that this will happen to me again and again, and that it has happened to every coach somewhere down the line. I would really appreciate some interaction with other coaches, so that we can all help each other excel in the field of coaching.

Yesterday at around 10pm I made a request to initiate a "Coaches' Forum" to BF. Kwun's ever-balanced view is that with the provision of enough interest amongst coaches, it could be a successful addition to the overall forum. Topics covered would include anything within the coaching sphere, for example:

motivating pupils, fun environment, condition games, coaching styles, coaching tips, body language, feedback, dealing with conflict and emergencies, unconventional/new views on coaching, strength/speed/endurance training, psychological training, specific breakdown of stroke-moves/body-skills, ideal coaching plans, priority of skills, voice projection, coaching children...this list is not exhaustive.

Views on coaching would be welcome from all members of BF, or at the moderators' discretion. All the moderators want is enough enthusiasm from the coaches in the forum. As well as improve the standard amongst coaches here, perhaps it could serve as an encouragement for other members to join the coaching register!

(It seems I don't have the option of creating a poll, which is a bit unfortunate.)

Aleik.

JRMTL · 07-14-2004, 12:46 AM

I am in! It would be interesting to have point of views from different countries and different backgrounds.

jkusmanto · 07-14-2004, 04:32 AM

Aleik,
I am in too.
You can count on me.

*jamesd20* · 07-14-2004, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRMTL

I am in! It would be interesting to have point of views from different countries and different backgrounds.

I am in (despite not being a coach) peoples opinions from different countries are most important for the improvement of standards as a whole, and give coaches more options to variety and specifying training to an individuals or a groups needs.

Having said that simply making a forum may not make the intrest, however it may be a good way to initiate talking in more detail about coaching related discussion.

Maz · 07-14-2004, 06:06 AM

I support this idea too of having a Coaches' forum...However, just as the Techniques forum, I think I would personally find it difficult to translate physical actions to words accurately. It would be good to try it out anyway.

Dill · 07-14-2004, 06:12 AM

As a fellow coach I'm in too

JRMTL · 07-14-2004, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maz

I support this idea too of having a Coaches' forum...However, just as the Techniques forum, I think I would personally find it difficult to translate physical actions to words accurately. It would be good to try it out anyway.

Yeah, you are right on that point. However, it is possible to discuss easily on drills, preparation of an athlete or problems that happen during our training.

JRMTL

dlp · 07-15-2004, 03:53 AM

I think perhaps coaching techniques could be covered by the techniques forum, many posts would happily sit in either area, for example how to coach a backhand would possibly discuss the technique of the backhand at the same time.

JRMTL · 07-15-2004, 09:57 AM

IMO, how to do a backhand is proper to the techniques forum.

But, how to COACH the backhand would be more appropriated in a coaches forum. For instance: do you try to begin with the first movement or the last movement ("backtracking learning")? Then, what would be the drills?

So, what are the techniques and tactics -> techniques forum
How a player should learn them -> coaches forum

Also, examples for other topics for the coaches forum: what do you say between a 2nd and 3rd game, how to deal when you have conflicts with players, etc... There are tons of coaches related topics that can be covered in that forum. And, IMO, it would not be appropriated for the techniques forum.

I found out it was kinda tough to mix the 2 kinds of subjects in the techniques forum. I would rather have two smaller forums where it would be easier to find out what you search for even if there is a search option.

My 2 cents,

JRMTL

dlp · 07-16-2004, 03:28 AM

I take your point JRMTL I'm just not sure their will be enough posts exclusively about coaching technqiues to warrant a section. Training techniques and routines, fitness, mental skills etc already are covered, it would merely be how to coach these things, as opposed how to train them that would be in the coaches forum. So basically that would include only coach-pupil, coach-group interactions: language, organisation, planning.

Having said that if there is a separate forum I will of course contribute

JRMTL · 07-16-2004, 08:49 AM

You are right that the coaches section would be a small forum. But I prefer a small forum with specific threads than the huge techniques forum like an all-in-one package

JRMTL

Aleik · 07-17-2004, 05:35 AM

Hi.

The BAofE offers courses for all three coaching awards, each lasting 25-32 hours, plus assessment. With courses that last as long as this, I'm sure there is plenty to discuss. And then, with shared experiences of all coaches here, there is surely no limit to how we can help each other. I think I mentioned just a few of the topics that could be covered in this forum.

Aleik.

Dill · 07-17-2004, 08:11 AM

It is a good idea especiallywith the regional differences in coaching awards. I am in Scotland and there is totally different courses for us compared to the English so again there is more to talk about.

Factor in different countries and you have an event waiting to happen!

We need to have sticky's to give us the layoutof the coaching structure in each country so we can equivicate with each other to an extent.

TheGr8Two · 07-18-2004, 12:54 AM

Threads can be coaching specific, and the general forum will have yet another less topic

(Yes, I support it, makes it easier to find the right info for the right ppl)

*kwun* · 09-18-2004, 01:16 PM

ok, the coaching forum has been created..... i expect a lot of posts from you Aleik since you suggested it....

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...play.php?f=112

07-13-2004, 07:01 PM	#1
Aleik Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: U.K. Posts: 219	Coaches; your attention please. Good morning. On the back of having demonstrated my first, moderately successful coaching session to a pupil, I realised that I hadn't prepared as well as I might have liked. The session should have been much more fluent, and I may have been teaching things too quickly, in the wrong order, in an ineffective way, etc. The problem is, I'm not sure where to pinpoint the faux pas. Perhaps it was lack of experience. I've no doubt that this will happen to me again and again, and that it has happened to every coach somewhere down the line. I would really appreciate some interaction with other coaches, so that we can all help each other excel in the field of coaching. Yesterday at around 10pm I made a request to initiate a "Coaches' Forum" to BF. Kwun's ever-balanced view is that with the provision of enough interest amongst coaches, it could be a successful addition to the overall forum. Topics covered would include anything within the coaching sphere, for example: motivating pupils, fun environment, condition games, coaching styles, coaching tips, body language, feedback, dealing with conflict and emergencies, unconventional/new views on coaching, strength/speed/endurance training, psychological training, specific breakdown of stroke-moves/body-skills, ideal coaching plans, priority of skills, voice projection, coaching children...this list is not exhaustive. Views on coaching would be welcome from all members of BF, or at the moderators' discretion. All the moderators want is enough enthusiasm from the coaches in the forum. As well as improve the standard amongst coaches here, perhaps it could serve as an encouragement for other members to join the coaching register! (It seems I don't have the option of creating a poll, which is a bit unfortunate.) Aleik.

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07-14-2004, 12:46 AM	#2
JRMTL Regular Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 146	I am in! It would be interesting to have point of views from different countries and different backgrounds.

07-14-2004, 04:32 AM	#3
jkusmanto Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 734	Aleik, I am in too. You can count on me.

07-14-2004, 06:06 AM	#5
Maz Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 195	I support this idea too of having a Coaches' forum...However, just as the Techniques forum, I think I would personally find it difficult to translate physical actions to words accurately. It would be good to try it out anyway.

07-14-2004, 06:12 AM	#6
Dill Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 1,915	As a fellow coach I'm in too

07-15-2004, 03:53 AM	#8
dlp Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: uk Posts: 716	I think perhaps coaching techniques could be covered by the techniques forum, many posts would happily sit in either area, for example how to coach a backhand would possibly discuss the technique of the backhand at the same time.

07-15-2004, 09:57 AM	#9
JRMTL Regular Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 146	IMO, how to do a backhand is proper to the techniques forum. But, how to COACH the backhand would be more appropriated in a coaches forum. For instance: do you try to begin with the first movement or the last movement ("backtracking learning")? Then, what would be the drills? So, what are the techniques and tactics -> techniques forum How a player should learn them -> coaches forum Also, examples for other topics for the coaches forum: what do you say between a 2nd and 3rd game, how to deal when you have conflicts with players, etc... There are tons of coaches related topics that can be covered in that forum. And, IMO, it would not be appropriated for the techniques forum. I found out it was kinda tough to mix the 2 kinds of subjects in the techniques forum. I would rather have two smaller forums where it would be easier to find out what you search for even if there is a search option. My 2 cents, JRMTL

07-16-2004, 03:28 AM	#10
dlp Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: uk Posts: 716	I take your point JRMTL I'm just not sure their will be enough posts exclusively about coaching technqiues to warrant a section. Training techniques and routines, fitness, mental skills etc already are covered, it would merely be how to coach these things, as opposed how to train them that would be in the coaches forum. So basically that would include only coach-pupil, coach-group interactions: language, organisation, planning. Having said that if there is a separate forum I will of course contribute

07-16-2004, 08:49 AM	#11
JRMTL Regular Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 146	You are right that the coaches section would be a small forum. But I prefer a small forum with specific threads than the huge techniques forum like an all-in-one package JRMTL

07-17-2004, 05:35 AM	#12
Aleik Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: U.K. Posts: 219	Hi. The BAofE offers courses for all three coaching awards, each lasting 25-32 hours, plus assessment. With courses that last as long as this, I'm sure there is plenty to discuss. And then, with shared experiences of all coaches here, there is surely no limit to how we can help each other. I think I mentioned just a few of the topics that could be covered in this forum. Aleik.

07-17-2004, 08:11 AM	#13
Dill Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 1,915	It is a good idea especiallywith the regional differences in coaching awards. I am in Scotland and there is totally different courses for us compared to the English so again there is more to talk about. Factor in different countries and you have an event waiting to happen! We need to have sticky's to give us the layoutof the coaching structure in each country so we can equivicate with each other to an extent.

07-18-2004, 12:54 AM	#14
TheGr8Two Regular Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 411	Threads can be coaching specific, and the general forum will have yet another less topic (Yes, I support it, makes it easier to find the right info for the right ppl)

09-18-2004, 01:16 PM	#15
kwun Administrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA Posts: 19,799	ok, the coaching forum has been created..... i expect a lot of posts from you Aleik since you suggested it.... http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...play.php?f=112