ProAce better than Yonex!?

neverland · 10-20-2002, 11:37 PM

hi guys...
Pro Ace web page stated that their racquets much more better than Yonex.
Why? With 28lbs strung u can easyly broke ur Yonex...and nothing happen to Pro Ace! With 33lbs 99 % of racquets broke and still nothing happen to Pro Ace!
U can see this facts at Pro Ace Official Web Page. For Yonex's player this must be
a scrap...and for ProAce users,

. What do you think guys...Yonex's is similar to
Badminton...but of course sometimes u have to see the facts or...u want to call it a scrap?

Byro-Nenium · 10-21-2002, 08:45 AM

I've heard this 1 before. I've heard people selling different brands say that their brand is always better than yonex.

Because Yonex is undoubtly the leading brand in Badminton equipment, other brands use Yonex standard as the point to beat.

I've heard people say ProAce is better than Yonex, Gosen is better than Yonex, Forza is better than Yonex. etc etc. The list goes on, but the truth is, in the end, its the player thats better than other players not the racket. If we gave say Taufik a Cab8 and i took the MP100 Tony Gunawan used to win the Olympic Gold, and challenged Taufik, he would still kick the cr@p out of me. So, we can't say which brand is better than the other.

An interesting thought though, people argue that racket quality can depend on the serial number/code. Eg SP, CN, CP TH etc..... Which i believe is true, TH versions suck. Seeing that the pros use the CN/CP version, we automatically assume that those are better, which i BELIEVE are. But that doesn't mean that the SP rackets can't take 30lbs. They can, only thing is that how many times can u restring at that tension before you break them. This brings me back to the ProAce argument. So what if their rackets can take 30lbs? How many times can u restring them at 30lbs before they break?

Winex West Can · 10-21-2002, 12:06 PM

A racquet is a racquet. There will be racquet models/brands that are worse off than others and vice versa. Just because it is a Yonex doesn't mean that it is good and just because it's not Yonex doesn't mean that it's bad.

If you take two players of equal skills and calibre and give them a good and bad racquet, then yeah, the one will the better racquet will probably win the match.

As for things like the designation codes used by Yonex...well, these are designation codes (as in which market the racquets are destined for...even if you managed to buy a SP or a US racquet in Canada, you can't get Yonex Canada to warranty these racquets but the retailer that you buy from might by either covering the warranty themselves or sending the racquets back to their suppliers).

We have pros who uses Yang yang, Forza, Carlton, Winex, etc. so you can also easily argue that those brands are as good as Yonex too.

jwu · 10-21-2002, 12:23 PM

In advertising, in order for companies to make their products sound even better, they always compare it to the best-known brand, hence in this case, comparing to Yonex. By doing so, the company already acknowledge the fact that Yonex is the best out there and it just wants a piece of Yonex's market. Anyway, these are just ways to get the consumers to buy their products.

As to which racquet brand is really better, it is all personal preference. People with different playing style will prefer different types of racquets. Just because yonex is the most popular brand, doesn't mean every racquet yonex makes is the best in its class, like some people have mentioned that mp55 is crap and that is from the mp series. So anyway, like many have said before, the racquet that is best is the one that suits the player's needs and in the price range of that individual.

jwu · 10-21-2002, 12:25 PM

One other thing I was just wondering, if you string your racquet at 30lbs or even higher, why not just play badminton with a wooden plank or something?

NVIDIA256 · 10-21-2002, 04:28 PM

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they always compare it to the best-known brand, hence in this case, comparing to Yonex.

Which comapny is that, please name them.

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Yonex is the best out there and it just wants a piece of Yonex's market. Anyway, these are just ways to get the consumers to buy their products.

LOL what a Joke. Sure Yonex is the biggest name in badminton, yet that has nothing to do with weather they make good rackets or not. . For instance Ford, Honda, GMC produce far more cars and are much better known thatn quality cars like BMW, Subaru, Peugeot etc...(not the best analogy but you get my point)

Yonex does indeed make good rackets, there is no denying that, but are they worth what Yonex charges for them, as compared to what the competitors are asking, NO WAY!!! Plus there is the issue of quality control on them, which also worries me. I do some compaines do indeed follow Yonex's suite, but others compaines creat there own path in design and ingenuity, first one that comes to my mind is PRINCE(who no longer distrubutes rackets in the US/CAN).

Anyhow don't get to high up on the Yonex hype.

LazyBuddy · 10-21-2002, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by neverland
hi guys...
Pro Ace web page stated that their racquets much more better than Yonex.
Why? With 28lbs strung u can easyly broke ur Yonex...and nothing happen to Pro Ace! With 33lbs 99 % of racquets broke and still nothing happen to Pro Ace!
U can see this facts at Pro Ace Official Web Page. For Yonex's player this must be
a scrap...and for ProAce users,. What do you think guys...Yonex's is similar to
Badminton...but of course sometimes u have to see the facts or...u want to call it a scrap?

Can't really agree on this issue:

1. Durability is sure an important factor, but not the only one. Tennis racket can be strung at 40+ lb very easily, but who will use it to play badminton?

2. Do u really need that high tension? Like ppl mentioned in all previous posts, the only time u put 24 or 25+ lb on ur racket, is when u really get to certain skill level. For me, I only strung my rackets around 20, 21 lb (maybe I will try 22lb when i get my next one), since I don't really think I can masterize a racket with 30lb tension.

3. When we select a racket, we have to select it using a "overall" std. ex: weight, grip size, ur style of playing, strategy (offense, defense)... Remember, someone's meat is someone else's poison. No matter how "popular" a racket is, u have to make sure u like it. Think about what will happen, if a defensive specialist have to hold a head heavy smashing canon...

modious · 10-21-2002, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by NVIDIA256

Which comapny is that, please name them.

Many. Winnex, Adonex, Finnex, Tronex, Sintec, etc.
Some companies do not copy in design, but in names.

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Originally posted by NVIDIA256

Yonex does indeed make good rackets, there is no denying that, but are they worth what Yonex charges for them, as compared to what the competitors are asking, NO WAY!!! Plus there is the issue of quality control on them, which also worries me. I do some compaines do indeed follow Yonex's suite, but others compaines creat there own path in design and ingenuity, first one that comes to my mind is PRINCE(who no longer distrubutes rackets in the US/CAN).

Anyhow don't get to high up on the Yonex hype.

Whether they're worth it depends on the individual. Many pple have talked abt this issue before.

Quality control? Well I've seen other brands like Ashaway, Carlton and Sintec break before too. 1 reason why Yonex rackets are breaking more than others is because many are using them. If majority are using a particular brand, it's no surprise that it has the most amount of breakages. It's not a fair anology.

I agree that PRINCE is 1 of the few brands which I thought was good. I used to use PRINCE rackets. At one point in time, I remembered that I had 3 PRINCE rackets compared to 1 Yonex racket.
But they're not easily available nowadays.... but I really do wish I can get the PRINCE Triple Threat Rip still though.

Babolat, Gosen and Mizuno also interests me.... but are not easily available as well.

NVIDIA256 · 10-21-2002, 06:29 PM

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Many. Winnex, Adonex, Finnex, Tronex, Sintec, etc.

Agreed!!!!

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1 reason why Yonex rackets are breaking more than others is because many are using them. If majority are using a particular brand, it's no surprise that it has the most amount of breakages. It's not a fair anology

A very astute point indeed, which I already took into consideration. Take my experience for example. I play badminton at 2 clubs, both which are very serious ones with advanced players. Adding both clubs up I would say 48% of the players are using Yonex, mostly the MP series followed by the Ti's. The rest of players use in Order of CARLTON, Vitor, Froza and BlackNight.

As I said eairler in a thread "Over at my club 90% of the incidents of broken rackets that take place are Yonex, and i'd say 70% percent of those are the MP series.

Funny isn't it, once in a while someone breaks a Carlton or BlackNight, I'm yet to see a Froza break.

Anyhow that's my 2 cents

LazyBuddy · 10-21-2002, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by NVIDIA256

Agreed!!!!

A very astute point indeed, which I already took into consideration. Take my experience for example. I play badminton at 2 clubs, both which are very serious ones with advanced players. Adding both clubs up I would say 48% of the players are using Yonex, mostly the MP series followed by the Ti's. The rest of players use in Order of CARLTON, Vitor, Froza and BlackNight.

As I said eairler in a thread "Over at my club 90% of the incidents of broken rackets that take place are Yonex, and i'd say 70% percent of those are the MP series.

Funny isn't it, once in a while someone breaks a Carlton or BlackNight, I'm yet to see a Froza break.

Anyhow that's my 2 cents

I can see ur point, but I still won't agree with u:

1. How often each player using their racket? How hard they use it? Let's say, 1 player using Yonex is a pro, he play 20+ hrs of "hard smashing" game a week. Compare to another ppl, who use another brand, but just play 2 hrs of "friendly" game a week... Can u put them on the same scale??? On the reverse way, will be the same case.

2. How u come up with the # of "48%"? "90%"? or 70%??? U count this # every single minute??? I mean, I assume a normal night, no more than 5 rackets should be broken, so, if u miss counting 1 or 2 incident, that's could be up to 40% difference in ur #s.

3. Sometimes, certain things happen more frequent than others (like, Yonex racket broke a lot, since most ppl use it). It will give u a "miss lead" about this thing happend all the time, and other inccident seems never happen...

modious · 10-21-2002, 06:48 PM

I've tried the Forza Star Power 10000 before. Mongoose got it from Howard if I'm not mistaken. The finishing of the racket is not very good.

Anyway, the racket was too light. Forza rackets only comes in 3U does it? Mongoose sold it off soon afterwards....

Forza is also not available here but I'm not really interested in any case. I'm only interested in getting Babolat, Gosen, Prince and Mizuno rackets.

jwu · 10-21-2002, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
LOL what a Joke. Sure Yonex is the biggest name in badminton, yet that has nothing to do with weather they make good rackets or not. . For instance Ford, Honda, GMC produce far more cars and are much better known thatn quality cars like BMW, Subaru, Peugeot etc...(not the best analogy but you get my point)

Think you misunderstood my point, my analogy is that yonex is the biggest name out there and therefore more people buy it, but not because it is the best out there. Yonex is the best known brand out there, it is also the most readily available brand of racquets in most places, and also most people use it. Heck even people I talk to who has never played badminton knows yonex has something to do with badminton. Just because Yonex has the biggest piece of the badminton market out there doesn't mean they make the best racquets, I never said that. In fact, all the racquets I've used now are Victor's and I prefer that over Yonex right now.

brooklyn · 10-22-2002, 12:31 AM

I think for every person, to love a racquet means that racquet fit him best, no matter whether it's best in the world.

There are so many factors to judge which racquet is the best. Someone used to the soft racquet, may think that the stiff ones are suck; someone who's accustomed with the heavy racquet may think that the light racquet is without the power.

So there is no best racquet in the world for everyone. Only have the best racquet for each one. Then just try to find the one for yourself, don't cost so much time on who else said.

For the problem between the Ace Pro and Yonex, If you used to the really high tension, (above 28 pounds) you may find that the Yonex racquet can not stand long. But maybe when you use the Ace Pro, you will find that it can stand long, but just like a wood, without elasticity, without feeling, even without power. ( Suppose)

I think the Yonex designers have tried to find the balance between the power and the duration in one racquet, then you may can't find a powerful and duration racquet with nowaday technology.

neverland · 10-22-2002, 09:17 PM

yah...thanks guys. I really agree that it really depends on the player itself.
Of course, no one would play at 30lbs string but it just a matter of how strong ur racket can take. I have seen one of my partner damage his racquets just because
the bird hit the frame while he smash. And the racquets is Yonex. He play about
one hour a day,5 days a week. And the racquet just 2 month old with him. Thats the point...if Yonex can't take a smash at the frame(not the string), should they consider
the BEST in Badminton..or u just proud to use their brand while the quality goes down?

jwu · 10-22-2002, 09:23 PM

It is quite disappointing that the mp series is apparently so fragile and yet so expensive. Strangely, I haven't seen anybody broke an mp racquet yet at the places I play, maybe I'm just not paying enough attention to them I guess.

neverland · 10-22-2002, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by jwu
It is quite disappointing that the mp series is apparently so fragile and yet so expensive. Strangely, I haven't seen anybody broke an mp racquet yet at the places I play, maybe I'm just not paying enough attention to them I guess.

U dont have to pay attention to see a broken-on-time racquet. It's just happen
and u keep on pray that will never happen to you. U NEVER hit ur partner racquet
in Men's Double.

U NEVER flip the bird from the floor to avoid it from scratch

U NEVER give ur best friend borrow it and then suddenly it's broke while ur smash

Maybe ur racquet not so expensive...

p/s: Expensive also broke!

jwu · 10-22-2002, 10:21 PM

well actually I've broken 4 racquets so far only in about 10 years of play. All the ones I broke are cheap aluminum/steel racquets, with the exception of a fung 2000, which for some people it's cheap too. The people I see playing around me uses a lot of mp77, Ti-7, Ti-10, and a couple mp100. Either they have more than one of those racquets or they just never seem to complain about a broken racquet, or maybe they break their racquet else where, not sure. Well anyway, I'm taking better care of my racquet now due to the fear of breaking it one day and I rarely let friends borrow racquets too unless it's one of my "cheap" ones. Thanks for the advice.

10-20-2002, 11:37 PM	#1
neverland Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 38	ProAce better than Yonex!? hi guys... Pro Ace web page stated that their racquets much more better than Yonex. Why? With 28lbs strung u can easyly broke ur Yonex...and nothing happen to Pro Ace! With 33lbs 99 % of racquets broke and still nothing happen to Pro Ace! U can see this facts at Pro Ace Official Web Page. For Yonex's player this must be a scrap...and for ProAce users,. What do you think guys...Yonex's is similar to Badminton...but of course sometimes u have to see the facts or...u want to call it a scrap?

10-21-2002, 12:06 PM	#3
Winex West Can Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,182	Here we go again... A racquet is a racquet. There will be racquet models/brands that are worse off than others and vice versa. Just because it is a Yonex doesn't mean that it is good and just because it's not Yonex doesn't mean that it's bad. If you take two players of equal skills and calibre and give them a good and bad racquet, then yeah, the one will the better racquet will probably win the match. As for things like the designation codes used by Yonex...well, these are designation codes (as in which market the racquets are destined for...even if you managed to buy a SP or a US racquet in Canada, you can't get Yonex Canada to warranty these racquets but the retailer that you buy from might by either covering the warranty themselves or sending the racquets back to their suppliers). We have pros who uses Yang yang, Forza, Carlton, Winex, etc. so you can also easily argue that those brands are as good as Yonex too.

10-22-2002, 09:17 PM	#14
neverland Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 38	Depends yah...thanks guys. I really agree that it really depends on the player itself. Of course, no one would play at 30lbs string but it just a matter of how strong ur racket can take. I have seen one of my partner damage his racquets just because the bird hit the frame while he smash. And the racquets is Yonex. He play about one hour a day,5 days a week. And the racquet just 2 month old with him. Thats the point...if Yonex can't take a smash at the frame(not the string), should they consider the BEST in Badminton..or u just proud to use their brand while the quality goes down?

10-21-2002, 08:45 AM	#2
Byro-Nenium Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,177	I've heard this 1 before. I've heard people selling different brands say that their brand is always better than yonex. Because Yonex is undoubtly the leading brand in Badminton equipment, other brands use Yonex standard as the point to beat. I've heard people say ProAce is better than Yonex, Gosen is better than Yonex, Forza is better than Yonex. etc etc. The list goes on, but the truth is, in the end, its the player thats better than other players not the racket. If we gave say Taufik a Cab8 and i took the MP100 Tony Gunawan used to win the Olympic Gold, and challenged Taufik, he would still kick the cr@p out of me. So, we can't say which brand is better than the other. An interesting thought though, people argue that racket quality can depend on the serial number/code. Eg SP, CN, CP TH etc..... Which i believe is true, TH versions suck. Seeing that the pros use the CN/CP version, we automatically assume that those are better, which i BELIEVE are. But that doesn't mean that the SP rackets can't take 30lbs. They can, only thing is that how many times can u restring at that tension before you break them. This brings me back to the ProAce argument. So what if their rackets can take 30lbs? How many times can u restring them at 30lbs before they break?

10-21-2002, 12:23 PM	#4
jwu Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: boston, ma, US Posts: 808	In advertising, in order for companies to make their products sound even better, they always compare it to the best-known brand, hence in this case, comparing to Yonex. By doing so, the company already acknowledge the fact that Yonex is the best out there and it just wants a piece of Yonex's market. Anyway, these are just ways to get the consumers to buy their products. As to which racquet brand is really better, it is all personal preference. People with different playing style will prefer different types of racquets. Just because yonex is the most popular brand, doesn't mean every racquet yonex makes is the best in its class, like some people have mentioned that mp55 is crap and that is from the mp series. So anyway, like many have said before, the racquet that is best is the one that suits the player's needs and in the price range of that individual.

10-21-2002, 12:25 PM	#5
jwu Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: boston, ma, US Posts: 808	One other thing I was just wondering, if you string your racquet at 30lbs or even higher, why not just play badminton with a wooden plank or something?

10-21-2002, 06:48 PM	#11
modious Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Thomson, Singapore. Posts: 3,682	I've tried the Forza Star Power 10000 before. Mongoose got it from Howard if I'm not mistaken. The finishing of the racket is not very good. Anyway, the racket was too light. Forza rackets only comes in 3U does it? Mongoose sold it off soon afterwards.... Forza is also not available here but I'm not really interested in any case. I'm only interested in getting Babolat, Gosen, Prince and Mizuno rackets.

10-22-2002, 12:31 AM	#13
brooklyn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7	I think for every person, to love a racquet means that racquet fit him best, no matter whether it's best in the world. There are so many factors to judge which racquet is the best. Someone used to the soft racquet, may think that the stiff ones are suck; someone who's accustomed with the heavy racquet may think that the light racquet is without the power. So there is no best racquet in the world for everyone. Only have the best racquet for each one. Then just try to find the one for yourself, don't cost so much time on who else said. For the problem between the Ace Pro and Yonex, If you used to the really high tension, (above 28 pounds) you may find that the Yonex racquet can not stand long. But maybe when you use the Ace Pro, you will find that it can stand long, but just like a wood, without elasticity, without feeling, even without power. ( Suppose) I think the Yonex designers have tried to find the balance between the power and the duration in one racquet, then you may can't find a powerful and duration racquet with nowaday technology.

10-22-2002, 09:23 PM	#15
jwu Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: boston, ma, US Posts: 808	It is quite disappointing that the mp series is apparently so fragile and yet so expensive. Strangely, I haven't seen anybody broke an mp racquet yet at the places I play, maybe I'm just not paying enough attention to them I guess.

10-22-2002, 10:21 PM	#17
jwu Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: boston, ma, US Posts: 808	well actually I've broken 4 racquets so far only in about 10 years of play. All the ones I broke are cheap aluminum/steel racquets, with the exception of a fung 2000, which for some people it's cheap too. The people I see playing around me uses a lot of mp77, Ti-7, Ti-10, and a couple mp100. Either they have more than one of those racquets or they just never seem to complain about a broken racquet, or maybe they break their racquet else where, not sure. Well anyway, I'm taking better care of my racquet now due to the fear of breaking it one day and I rarely let friends borrow racquets too unless it's one of my "cheap" ones. Thanks for the advice.