All Titanium one piece racquet

jwu · 10-24-2002, 01:20 PM

Hey everyone, had a conversation with a friend last night about racquets and he mentioned that back when he was in HK, he owned a racquet that is all Ti, which means 360 degree titanium mesh head, Ti shaft, and everything is one piece mold. Just wondering if such a racquet really exist out there since I can't seem to find it online. The closest one I've found is made by Genji, it is all Ti but the racquet is not one piece mold, as in the shaft and handle are two separate piece.

LazyBuddy · 10-24-2002, 01:51 PM

Wow...

How much did he pay for that? Can he provide us a pic for that, if he still own that racket.

I've never seen a all Ti racket before...

jwu · 10-24-2002, 02:03 PM

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ebadmint...degultitr.html

that's the link for the Genji racquet I was talking about. Only $89 USD too, interesting. My friend said he paid $300 USD for that racquet and his father sold it last year for even more money. I don't know, the story seemed a little far-fetch, that's why I am asking the forum to check on the validity on the existence of such racquet.

coops241180 · 10-25-2002, 12:19 AM

apparently the carlton aerogear 2000tfx is supposed to be one piece titanium

*kwun* · 10-25-2002, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jwu
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ebadmint...degultitr.html

that's the link for the Genji racquet I was talking about. Only $89 USD too, interesting. My friend said he paid $300 USD for that racquet and his father sold it last year for even more money. I don't know, the story seemed a little far-fetch, that's why I am asking the forum to check on the validity on the existence of such racquet.

360 titanium mesh . quite a bit different than full titanium.

there was a thread on metalwork and titanium a while back. try search for it. the problem with ti is that it is very hard to form into shape.

*kwun* · 10-25-2002, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by coops241180
apparently the carlton aerogear 2000tfx is supposed to be one piece titanium

nope. at least that's what the marketing want to tell you. but it is a graphite racket.

AFAIK, a completely completely titanium badminton racket hasn't exist yet. let me go learn how to tig weld and cold form titanium, may be i will go make one. cooler, are you interested?

JChen99 · 10-25-2002, 12:41 AM

I've heard of one peice rackets... lik... head/shaft/handle one peice... but I dont know if it's all Ti-Mesh

coops241180 · 10-25-2002, 01:20 AM

that's odd a friend of mine is doing his doctorate in Material Sciences - i asked him about the techniques that may be used to make badminton racquets. apparently he seems to think that graphite racquets are just as difficult to make as ti. the main problem with ti is the purity - conversley graphite racquets are cheap because the purity is already there and it is in good supply - but it is malleable at a higher temperature. ti mesh is used because ti is v.v.v.v. expensive still

Yogi · 10-25-2002, 02:05 AM

Carlton 2000Tfx is not all titanium racket! Neither is it Single piece! The old carlton powerflows were single piece but not the TFX.

coops241180 · 10-25-2002, 02:11 AM

when i say single piece i just mean the head and the shaft - clearly the handle is a separate part to the rest of the racquet.

take a look at this also

http://www.monkhouse.com/FRMonkhouse...nton_Sale.html

jwu · 10-25-2002, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kwun

360 titanium mesh . quite a bit different than full titanium.

there was a thread on metalwork and titanium a while back. try search for it. the problem with ti is that it is very hard to form into shape.

Yes Kwun I was referring to an all Ti-mesh racquet rather than fully Ti only. Talked to my friend more last night and this is the info I got:

The racquet frame is all silver except for orange spot at the 12 o'clock position. The entire racquet is one piece from the head, shaft, and the cone. It is a Yonex racquet he says but can't remember the model type. Not sure if anyone knows the racquet with this description. The racquet is also at least 11 years old since that's how long ago he used it .

marshall · 10-27-2002, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kwun

nope. at least that's what the marketing want to tell you. but it is a graphite racket.

AFAIK, a completely completely titanium badminton racket hasn't exist yet. let me go learn how to tig weld and cold form titanium, may be i will go make one. cooler, are you interested?

Wow, the ultimate badminton fanatic project: MAKE YOUR OWN RACQUET! Go for it kwun!

bigredlemon · 10-27-2002, 09:27 AM

I'm not a materials expert but I remember from somewhere that Titanium is rather brittle. Because it's stiff yet light, it can't absorb shock, and breaks pretty easily without support. So an all titanium racquet seems like huge DISadvantage due to the huge vibrations.... you'd feel like you're holding a tuning fork after every smash or clear! And It'll break after a week or so. And you'll be too broke from having to buy it to get a new one.

I'd say they should Keep it as a mesh.

bigredlemon · 10-27-2002, 09:35 AM

Nevermind the brittle part... I think titanium inheritenly has strunger fatigue/stress ratio than steel... BUT... the reason all titanium badminton rcaquets CANT be made without it being brittle is due to a unique feature of titanium.

Most metals become more brittle as it gets cold, and more flexible when it's hot. You can bent most metals by heating it, but heating titanium before bending it will cause it to crack. The other option is cast-molding, which doesn't work either because the crystalline structure of Ti is unstable after reheating, which again, makes the metal brittle.

Also, Ti absorn oxygen and nitrogen (air) at high temperatures, resulting in "impurities". Most metals do this, which is why they want to build spaceships in space (stronger) but Titanium is especially bad for this. Maybe by the time we have factories on the moon we'll see All Ti racquets. But then again, that doesn't address the vibration issue either. Ti vibrates more than the steel tuning forks are made of.

bigredlemon · 10-27-2002, 09:37 AM

And of course, the only time Ti isn't brittle nor vibrates is when it's in a mesh surrounder by other materials (that can take stress off it and absorb the vibrations.)

jwu · 10-27-2002, 07:25 PM

wow bigredlemon, thanks for that lesson in Ti.

Not only is this site good for badminton knowledge, you learn about precious metals among other things as well.

JChen99 · 10-27-2002, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigredlemon
And of course, the only time Ti isn't brittle nor vibrates is when it's in a mesh surrounder by other materials (that can take stress off it and absorb the vibrations.)

so basically they cant make the whold racket out of Ti

But I dont think Ti is the strongest metal there is out there (I jus kno it's hella expensive)

Y dont they make the mesh outta other materials?

10-24-2002, 01:20 PM	#1
jwu Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: boston, ma, US Posts: 808	All Titanium one piece racquet Hey everyone, had a conversation with a friend last night about racquets and he mentioned that back when he was in HK, he owned a racquet that is all Ti, which means 360 degree titanium mesh head, Ti shaft, and everything is one piece mold. Just wondering if such a racquet really exist out there since I can't seem to find it online. The closest one I've found is made by Genji, it is all Ti but the racquet is not one piece mold, as in the shaft and handle are two separate piece.

10-24-2002, 01:51 PM	#2
LazyBuddy Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York, US Posts: 9,919	Wow... How much did he pay for that? Can he provide us a pic for that, if he still own that racket. I've never seen a all Ti racket before...

10-24-2002, 02:03 PM	#3
jwu Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: boston, ma, US Posts: 808	http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ebadmint...degultitr.html that's the link for the Genji racquet I was talking about. Only $89 USD too, interesting. My friend said he paid $300 USD for that racquet and his father sold it last year for even more money. I don't know, the story seemed a little far-fetch, that's why I am asking the forum to check on the validity on the existence of such racquet.

10-25-2002, 12:19 AM	#4
coops241180 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Preston UK Posts: 1,283	apparently the carlton aerogear 2000tfx is supposed to be one piece titanium

10-25-2002, 12:41 AM	#7
JChen99 Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coquitlam, BC, Canada Posts: 1,044	I've heard of one peice rackets... lik... head/shaft/handle one peice... but I dont know if it's all Ti-Mesh

10-25-2002, 01:20 AM	#8
coops241180 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Preston UK Posts: 1,283	that's odd a friend of mine is doing his doctorate in Material Sciences - i asked him about the techniques that may be used to make badminton racquets. apparently he seems to think that graphite racquets are just as difficult to make as ti. the main problem with ti is the purity - conversley graphite racquets are cheap because the purity is already there and it is in good supply - but it is malleable at a higher temperature. ti mesh is used because ti is v.v.v.v. expensive still

10-25-2002, 02:05 AM	#9
Yogi Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,201	Carlton 2000Tfx is not all titanium racket! Neither is it Single piece! The old carlton powerflows were single piece but not the TFX.

10-25-2002, 02:11 AM	#10
coops241180 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Preston UK Posts: 1,283	when i say single piece i just mean the head and the shaft - clearly the handle is a separate part to the rest of the racquet. take a look at this also http://www.monkhouse.com/FRMonkhouse...nton_Sale.html

10-27-2002, 09:27 AM	#13
bigredlemon Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,095	I'm not a materials expert but I remember from somewhere that Titanium is rather brittle. Because it's stiff yet light, it can't absorb shock, and breaks pretty easily without support. So an all titanium racquet seems like huge DISadvantage due to the huge vibrations.... you'd feel like you're holding a tuning fork after every smash or clear! And It'll break after a week or so. And you'll be too broke from having to buy it to get a new one. I'd say they should Keep it as a mesh.

10-27-2002, 09:35 AM	#14
bigredlemon Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,095	Nevermind the brittle part... I think titanium inheritenly has strunger fatigue/stress ratio than steel... BUT... the reason all titanium badminton rcaquets CANT be made without it being brittle is due to a unique feature of titanium. Most metals become more brittle as it gets cold, and more flexible when it's hot. You can bent most metals by heating it, but heating titanium before bending it will cause it to crack. The other option is cast-molding, which doesn't work either because the crystalline structure of Ti is unstable after reheating, which again, makes the metal brittle. Also, Ti absorn oxygen and nitrogen (air) at high temperatures, resulting in "impurities". Most metals do this, which is why they want to build spaceships in space (stronger) but Titanium is especially bad for this. Maybe by the time we have factories on the moon we'll see All Ti racquets. But then again, that doesn't address the vibration issue either. Ti vibrates more than the steel tuning forks are made of.

10-27-2002, 09:37 AM	#15
bigredlemon Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,095	And of course, the only time Ti isn't brittle nor vibrates is when it's in a mesh surrounder by other materials (that can take stress off it and absorb the vibrations.)

10-27-2002, 07:25 PM	#16
jwu Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: boston, ma, US Posts: 808	wow bigredlemon, thanks for that lesson in Ti. Not only is this site good for badminton knowledge, you learn about precious metals among other things as well.