i have said this before but i'll say it again (lol, sounds like pemuda). Offering solution now is not at the right time because most MAS fans and BAM were and maybe still is in a denial state. Until they recognize and accept their flaws and inefficiency, it is fruitless to brainstorm for solutions. Yes, many MAS fans here in bf are way more knowledgeable than the general MAS population so exception to them of my above statment. Human emotional cycle follow a very predictable trend. If the big wig BAM is still in denial mindset, don't expect improvement.
..actually limsy is pretty neutral and see things objectively..and i believe he's a fan of Pemuda, too..if Pemuda was a leng lui (Pemudi), i'm sure limsy will be talking abt her left & right & center.. ..he's not so smart in his actions, thus the banning; but he's smart in choosing to advance his education rather than to mingle around in this forum...who knows, maybe one day we'll see Pemuda up on the podium giving speeches.. ..there was a reason. However, only mods know the details.
here is a segment of the emotional cycle, in chronological order and the group i think they are in denial (BAM) > desperation (coaches) > panic (active players) > capitulation (post game feedback and review) > depsondency (MAS population) > depression (most fans) > hope (most bf fans) > relief ( not their yet) as u can, the fans are ahead of the changes than .. BAM who is the key mover and shaker here.
I must admit I use to hate pemuda and his writings. I cannot believe how a Malaysian can bash his own players. But after reading his posts I admit he made a lot of sense. I hope I won't anger senior members here but the guy did offer solutions to our badminton. Like many I was just too mad to see it initialy. And if we read his postings other than badminton stuff you will be surprise with his general knowledge as well. In terms of insults, to be fair it was two way traffic. Many here if we are honest are not exactly angels too. Maybe it was all of us against him alone that cause him to be banished. Anyway I salute his last post. He bears no grudges and I think we should do so too.
Really, ain't that the truth. No swearing, no name calling, nothing personal just honest, straight from the heart commentary, so what is the rationale for banning? I don't think you need to apologize to anyone to speak for yourself in a civil and honest manner. I won't.
after reading this thread, i found out that there are members acting just like Pemuda. the harsh posts, immature post etc.... please discuss in good manner and show maturity. this is an example of constructive post if anyone dont understand what i mean....
Different forums have different criteria when it comes to drawing that line on the sand. Personally, I find Pemuda's opinions rather interesting and thought-provoking that could have been put differently although some people will find them offensive. But that was his own unique style. It all comes down to one's tolerance of opinions that may clash bitterly with your own. At my age I go to sleep when everyone agrees with everyone. I need opposing but rational views to have a good day, provided it is not under-the-belly personal blow type. I like the Yin and the Yang of the circle of life.
don't think bam is in a denial state at this moment we just have to wait for the next few days/weeks to see the changes if not, what you say about not expecting improvement maybe true
hahaha this is funny u had said that was on 1950 and 1960 just admit that malaysia cant win the og or wc/uc/tc now is 2010 lol dont live in past glory dont talk about major title when u cant even win the minor one lol i know more about bam than pemuda do and yet u think he can think clearer than me about bam? fans of lcw?and koo/tan? does they qualified? i prefer kenichi tago and lee yong dae u must have only read pemuda post thats why u dont know who is my fave of cz,u defend pemuda bcz u are his fans simple
Yes, agree wit u lots, limsy... We must take it step by step first la.. it's less stressful on the mind... I remember when ah Taufik was playing some tourney.. he said he thought of slowly earning point by point, not longing to be a champion (well, that's common knowledge today). It's easier for the mind to grasp and more beneficial in the future... I perfectly agree, taneepak. I too found his different perspective and writing styles interesting sometimes... Some of the arguments he presented were quite intelligent.. Really, depends on how the reader interprets it, for good or for bad....
Hang Jebat story during the golden age of the Melaka Sultanate . Wonder if Pemuda has thought carefully about the Hang Jebat story during the golden age of the Melaka Sultanate? If Hang Jebat is still living now, wouldn't it be better for him to start his own website, blog, facebook, forum, etc... to voice his opinions? Pemuda could have created his own too; his website, blog, facebook, forum, etc... to voice his opinions too. When we post at BC, we are guests here talking to other BC guests. BC has house rules. If we break the BC house rules, we should expect that we will be banned. Personally, I did not know that Pemuda was banned. He was in in 'Ignore List'. Actually, the 'Ignore List' is quite useful. I learnt about it from this thread: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/for...e-use-and-abuse-of-BadmintonCentral&highlight .
too tired reading after the 2nd page, but in general i think many boleh-land ppl cannot seem to accept critics and choose instead to ignore or ban ppl who offer the true picture. of coz it is difficult to accept reality like what bro pemuda had put it bluntly. maybe boleh-land ppl, like their government prefer to live in their own perfect world. can u imagine dat the players even said 'culture' as the main reason of TC2010 failure? (btw i dun think losing to CHN is a failure. but losing to JP??) it is culture that datuk,kkk/tbh,hh got spoilt by their limited success.
From where/whom was the ban originated? . From where/whom was the ban originated? It could be from the USA, UK, Hong Kong, Sweden, Singapore or Malaysia? .
oh yes he did, too many times to too many members the mod don't just banned members, they will give you warning(s) and if you don't heed them, well, you will be pressing your own ban button
Wondering who actually banned Pemuda from BC? . That's correct. I was only wondering who actually banned Pemuda from BC. .
i like to get you correct - do you mean there are moderator(s) who are boleh-land ppl and cannot accept critics so they choose to ban ppl who offer the true picture? just to clarify your meaning
My problem with Pemuda is not that he is pointless. He does have his points. There are points in which I readily agree with him. There are points which are contestable. And there are points which I think are plainly wrong. Sometimes, I agree with his general point but he goes so far to the extreme that I have to disagree. But that's not the problem. The problem is how he delivers his points. He has the ability to insult everyone he dislikes and yet paints himself as the victim. He can pretend to be meek and see forgiveness, and in the next swift stroke, insult you again. He hates it when others get personal, except it's ok that he does it all the time. He acts all high and mighty, but when he is proven wrong, changes the topic altogether. Based on his posts, I can only conclude that he is a hypocrite, a whiner and a troll. The forum is much better off without him. I hope he's not like that in real life.
