Is BAM going in the right direction?

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  1. pBmMalaysia

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    I suppose that was the panic button for bam to hire mf, obviously no champion no sponsors :D
     
  2. Cheung

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    Apart from the money, it it's a no lose situation hiring him. If they didn't, they lose the same money in sponsorship.

    If they did hire him and fail, it's a failure of the coach - not BAM.

    If they hired him and succeeded, they can breath a sigh of relief.

    Pretty clear how to proceed.;)
     
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    that's how they work in Business At Maximum :D
     
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    We should stop discussing MF wages, what ever it is he deserves what he gets as its what BAM is WILLING to pay, so thats his value and not his fault.
    If we normal earners start comparing salary than Ronaldo's, Wayne Rooney's, Gareth Bales's, Messi's and other stars salary doesn't make sense too.
    Anyway, its a hard job to do for MF and for any coach in Malaysia, not just at BAM!
    But MF will give a honest, hardworking and consistent effort and if he fails, nobody else no matter how good, will be able to do better - malaysia have very few, infact zero future world class talents at this moment!
     
  5. shooting stroke

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    As far as discussing about talent in BAM present squad is concern, their talent is predictably good at the local level but miserably perform at the world class level be it the senior players and even more the junior players. Other then the players themselves, BAM coaching structure as well should be partly blame due to the this present standard in BAM players.

    No doubt that somehow BAM manage to come into an agreement which manage to bring MF into their boat but if BAM still practice the same way of thinking in their coaching structure and decision making authority that causes even Datuk Misbun refused to come back despite Dato' LCW and Datuk KJ approach him few years back then even the best from MF will not make any long term benefit to BAM and his fate will be no difference like many other foreign coaches before him which will eventually end up him resigning or ask to resign.

    IMHO, MF can't do much with the current standard in the senior squad and since majority of them are going into their late 20's as well therefore any improvement will be just a short term target. However MF has a good 6th sense awareness in identifying prospect young players and if BAM gives him what he needs as well as the decision making authority to create the standard in molding young player that can play well in the junior level and then can consistently play well as well when their entering the senior level then i predict that Malaysia could have few junior players aged between 17-20 that are within the bracket of world top 20 ranking within this 3-5 years time frame.
     
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    I kind of agree that BAM's best bet lies in the plentiful supply of juniors between 17-20 in MAS, or maybe even from exceptional 16 year-year-olds, that could be moulded into world-class players by a most qualified and experienced coach like MF.

    But MF must be given the freedom to do his act and not be obstructed by the Administration in order to accomplish his plan. He also needs all the support from his colleagues, the other coaches and trainers.

    As for the senior players, although not much can be done in terms of the way they play, still their skills and match awareness could be polished and a lot of mental motivation may be necessary to re-ignite their passion for the game. Remember even LD looks up to "The Thing" for inspiration.

    Senior players should know that LCW started out as just another junior talent like themselves but he worked exceptionally hard to achieve success years later. So it is up them to regain their faith and confidence with motivation and attention from MF and a set of clear goals and incentives placed before them.

    LCW is a great example although he has now to fight another battle, probably through no fault of his.
     
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    This being MF's second stint, I would think both sides would have a firm understanding that MF is hired there to do his job. Whatever it takes. No matter whose toes are being stepped on.

    Also, having LCW's unfortunate saga going on at the moment only serves to emphasize the urgency of BAM's situation on the world stage.
     
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    Rexy may return to coach Malaysia

    by rajes paul

    EXCLUSIVE

    KUALA LUMPUR: Former Indonesian great Rexy Mainaky may return to Malaysia as one of the national coaches – again.

    It is learnt that Rexy had a one-on-one meeting with Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) president Tengku Tan Sri Mahaleel Tengku Arif recently to discuss the possibility of returning to work with the national team.

    Nothing has been finalised yet.

    Rexy was with Malaysia for 7½ years until 2012. Under him, former national men’s No. 1 pair Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong won the 2006 Asian Games gold medal and several other Open titles, including the 2007 All-England.

    Rexy, a former Olympic Games gold medal winner, left for Indonesia two years ago to work as a high performance director. Under his leadership, Indonesia did well at this year’s Asian Games when Hendra Setiawan-Mohd Ahsan and Greysia Polii-Nitya Krishinda Maheswari won the men’s and women’s doubles titles.

    If Rexy returns, he will be among a small group of foreign coaches tasked with charting the future of Malaysian badminton.

    BAM hired two coaches from China – He Guo Quan and Zhou Yang – in October. The duo are currently observing and assessing the national players and coaches but their roles will be finalised soon.

    Guo Quan, who was the former junior coach of five-time world champion Lin Dan, may train the men’s singles players.

    Last month, Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin announced that the National Sports Council (NSC) had hired former great Morten Frost of Denmark to become the technical director of BAM.

    He will be seconded to the BAM and will start work in March.

    The other high-profile foreign coach still with Malaysia is former world champion Hendrawan. He has been working with the national back-up team for the last six years.

    With several new coaches set to play a more prominent role in the national coaching and training set-up, fans can expect a big shake-up in the coaching team next year.

    The status of almost all the local coaches – national singles chief coach Rashid Sidek, Tey Seu Bock, Pang Cheh Chang, Jeremy Gan, Rosman Razak, Wong Tat Meng and Tan Kim Her – will be reviewed as their contracts end in December.

    http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Badminton/2014/11/28/Rexy-may-return/
     
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    Just referring to the above article, it says Morten Frost was hired by the NSC (not BAM). Presumably, his rank then outweighs most people in BAM.

    Pretty doubtful that Rexy will move back to Malaysia. But no harm in having chats. The newspaper might be extrapolating too far..:)

    I am not sure about shooting stroke's pessimism on the juniors. OK, so they haven't won the junior world championships but they are good players and part of the best juniors in the world.
     
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    Indeed Malaysia have some good players in the junior level and for the past many years there are few that made some major achievements in the Asian Junior and World Junior Championship however their transition into the senior level has always been a hiccup. Arif for an example, was in the same era with Chen long ( and nearly beat him in the 2007 Asian junior but lost 22-20 in the decider) but now they are totally in a different league. Notably is Zulfadli Zulkifli, the 2011 Asian, Commonwealth and World Junior Champion (by beating Viktor Axelsen), while the later has won bronze in the recently concluded World Championship and now ranked within the world top 20 bracket, Zulfadli is drifting far away.
     
  11. Cheung

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    Two explanations :

    A) the juniors have already reached the maximum potential. And cannot go above the ceiling. Or

    B) failure of BAM to develop the transition successfully in all of the players.

    Or perhaps BAM has very high standards so that many of the potential players decide an alternative career pathway is better.
     
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    B would be the best answer and the MAIN flaw IMHO that contribute to this transition failure is that the decision making authority in BAM coaching structure is not fully in the hand of the respective coaches but it is ultimately decided through BAM previous CTC (Coaching and Training Committee). Hopefully after BAM re-structuring, CTC which is replaced currently by the Capability, Skills and Research (CSR) functional group can provide bigger role and decision making authority to BAM coaches to structure their coaching in addressing this failure.
     
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    So should this be headed by one of the senior coaches? Then the guys who are BAM admin and are running the show. Not supporting the coaches? Over riding coaches decisions?
     
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    CSR will be headed by a Chief Coach and in this case it is likely Morten Frost will be that person even though BAM main target was Datuk Misbun initially because they wanted a home grown Malaysian talent to helm CSR but Datuk already make it clear that he does not want any involvement with BAM anymore. However CSR still will be chaired by Tengku himself and thus the issue of over riding coaches decision still can possibly occur similarly like the previous CTC administration
     
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    More shocking if you add in the last couple of years winners of the world junior doubles! Too many to name :D
     
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    Yes bro...many names........
     
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    Anyone has the current list of people inside the BAM training and coaching committee?
     
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    If you want to know how bad the Malaysia badminton scene is at the moment, here's an article to shed some light about it

    http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Badminton/2014/12/28/Fed-up-Hui-Lin-quits-BAM/
     
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    I survived with a wife and a child. But that doesnt mean i support what BAM did. The management isnt much improve since the new guy came in
     

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