Then badminton is going to have to ACT like the 'major' sports where match fixing is strictly illegal. This doesn't mean that it doesn't happen in the 'major' sports but when it has been detected is has been dealt with fairly severly. I also see alot of critisism of LYB and people referring to him as 'evil'. This is nonsense LYB is a 'straw man' in this whole match fixing debate. The root of problem rest with the Chinese (AND I MEAN THE NATION OF CHINA) federation.
I'm a little confused. I don't think there is any misunderstanding and you certainly don't need to apologize for anything. You are spot on about wanting badminton to be treated like the 'big' sports and it's something we all should want. However, inorder to grow into a major sport olympic badminton should model itself on something closer to Tennis than Professional Wrestling.
i beg to correct u. The root of problem rest with the BW federation. To borrow words from a wise man Whether we like it or not, dominating countries and their fixing are here to stay. If at all, you should be petitioning BWF to come forth
You are quoting Old hand totally out of context. In fact, I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make by quoting him. As for the BWF they are the problem with badminton. Witness their recent ruling where they blamed the Korean Federation (Properly) for being the root of the 'Lin Dan' incident while refusing to level any punishment on Lin Dan for throwing his racquet. This sends a warped message that if a player feels sufficiently aggrieved during a tournament violence is an acceptable outlet. That is just warped. Your assumption that only 'dominant countries' can engage in match fixing is also faulty. ANY team with multiple entrants in an event can fix matches. As I've already stated, in 'real sports' match fixing is against the rules and is dealt with harshly. Let's see them try their match fixing stunt during the Olympics games! As for your assertion that dominant countries and their fixing being 'here to stay' then Badminton should be prepared to remain as a minor sport on the world stage.
Originally Posted by Polar Bear You are quoting Old hand totally out of context. In fact, I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make by quoting him. As for the BWF they are the problem with badminton. Witness their recent ruling where they blamed the Korean Federation (Properly) for being the root of the 'Lin Dan' incident while refusing to level any punishment on Lin Dan for throwing his racquet. This sends a warped message that if a player feels sufficiently aggrieved during a tournament violence is an acceptable outlet. That is just warped. lets fix the big problem first, quality line judging, better refereeing and umpiring. If your not going to address the match fixing, what is the point of bothering with the line judging and the officiating? If the goal is fairplay, then fixing the quality of the officiating is going to do nothing to that end. In fact without addressing match fixing, biased officiating in events outside of China is one way to counter balance match fixing. Also, your assertion that officiating is the bigger problem is faulty. Both issues fall under the larger umbrella of cheating which seems to be rampant in badminton. Your assumption that only 'dominant countries' can engage in match fixing is also faulty. ANY team with multiple entrants in an event can fix matches. As I've already stated, in 'real sports' match fixing is against the rules and is dealt with harshly. Let's see them try their match fixing stunt during the Olympics games! i replied to loopy on this already that there is low chance of match fixing in the OG http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...1&postcount=33 Well first off the spectre of match fixing in the OG was not central to the argument I made. Secondly there is no reason for them to do it. As for your assertion that dominant countries and their fixing being 'here to stay' then Badminton should be prepared to remain as a minor sport on the world stage. i heard WWF is quite popular, more popular than badminton Yeah so is porn. Let me know when you want to have a discussion about badminton in the context of it being a real sport.
Oh. I posted a reply requiring you to be banned (at that time I thought you are accusing China the nation), but then I read your post again and realized I misunderstood. I apologize in case you saw my previous reply (which has been deleted).
All you can say is this is BWF problem to dealt with. This attitude is very common, everybody like to push it to somebody to solve the problem or even pray that it may solve by itself when time comes. Stop say that unless you are contributing to do something to change and help BWF ! How ?, here if I can suggest : -Any WO by players which are obvious just like we have seen and if you are convince, we can all walk out during the player next match (the one who got a WO). -Any Game which are played in suspicious manner between two players, if you think it has been fixed. Walkout, don't wait what other think. If you show that we are not here to play along with what we are not endorsing and show that we are disgusted, sponsor will take notice straight away and we are helping BWF directly.
Yeah heh, I meant "some" in badminton's case. I was comparing just those "some" matches to wrestling . *sigh*.......... >_>
The problem with your suggestions though is that they go against common ideals, namely: being innocent till proven guilty. While these walkovers may look to be obviously planned, the BWF can't punish someone with just circumstantial evidence.
A hope of all ppls that have Bc.com Id. BWF is on the right track i hope. Like how FIFa appointed their legends to lead their organisation.I hope we'll do the same thing.
LYB did not match fix only recently. He got hooked on it when LD first became WR1 and realized the non-SS format made it easy and he wanted to create the aura of invincibility in LD by maintaining him as WR1 instead of letting LD prove his real worth.In the long term,I believe LYB has done LD a great injustice.
Pjswift. not an attempt to flatter u or being a girly type. But u did help me in understanding the term 'match-fixing'. Better than before. i guess we can all say.we are disagree with Lyb.Even the chinese in china.
ye333 have posted it before they deleted. since 1960, PBSI also "fix" Rudi Hartono match in All England, so he can looks invincible. plus, quotes from Sabathiel, that Icuk can win the WC 83 coz of the "pressure" from Ina govt, that several Chinese Indonesian had already won prestigious titles, while native Indonesian never win. from 1960 they're already fix the match, how many of u complaint about that?
BWF was unfair to China. that's why LYB try another "solution" so CHN can send maximum player to OG. just like u said, who's right and who's wrong?
the Board of Commissioners only concern about the result from the CEO (LYB). that's why LYB try very hard to make them satisfy.
