Shuttle Striking A Non-Receiving Doubles Player During Service

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  1. alexh

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    I try to imagine what it would be like if it were me sitting in the chair making the decision. It's tough. If the umpire didn't see what happened, and if the line judge didn't see it, then it's hard for her to award the point. It's not her fault that this weird thing happened at the crucial stage of a final instead of early in a first round match. I wouldn't like to be the person sitting in the chair feeling the pressure at that moment.

    Sure you can say it's a mistake, but "crime" seems a bit harsh.
     
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    I dont' know why it isn't obvious when the line judge doesn't see the bird fall....and it's in Morgenson's hand even though he didn't even bend down to pick it up....Isn't it kind of obvious?
     
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    Actually if I'm hearing it right on the video, the reason why the let was played was because:

    - it hit CM and (obviously) the line judge didn't see it land.
    - The line judge said non sighted, and the umpire called a let.
    - KKK then appealed to the umpire saying that it had hit CM and the umpire replied that she didn't see it hit him. That is why a let was played.
     
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    even if the line judge was unsighted, there was another pair of eyes which could see them VERY Clearly.. and that is " The Service Judge "

    IF the Rule book does not define the " Service Judge " ,as an OFFICIAL... there is pretty much nothing that stops him from judging that or getting an opinion from him.
     
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    Did you miss the part where the line judge and umpire were both unsighted?

    It's not a question of whether the service judge is an official, but whether he is actually able to make a call outside of judging the correctness of the service. Pretty sure that isn't the case.

     
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    I think most umpires just see it easy to call a let then give points
     
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    I'm not an expert at the rule book but my logic is that if the receiver's partner was obviously out of the receiver's box, the receiver should win the point.
    But if the receiver's partner is not obviously out of the receiver's box, the server should win the point.
    This is not usually a problem because the receiving side usually has players pretty much in opposite sides.
    PLUS, it should be relatively easy to dodge a badminton serve.
    This situation doesn't happen often and I wouldn't worry too much about it.

    *I haven't seen the video of the match.
     
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    its some of the cruelty of badminton.
    if the opposing teams non-reciever touches it at ALL its a fault, regardless. its is good sportsmanship to replay the point tho
     
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    its like, sometimes, if a shuttle is obviously out, some people would go and catch it before it hits the ground. normally it's the opposing teams point.
     
  10. serviceover

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    I have had a look at the video on youtube, and from the angle, i am sure Carol didn't see the catch, MB would have been between her and CM. Knowing Carol as I do, she would have glanced at the SJ for a helping hand and if he had seen it, she would have made a different decision. However, he would have been concentrating on the server so would have been looking in the other direction and wouldn't have seen the incident.

    For me, the most disturbing part is that CM didn't own up to catching the shuttle... what bad sportsmanship!!

    It would be interesting to know if any of the subscribers to this thread, with all their theories, have ever sat in an umpires chair...
     
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    Have you ever umpired?
     
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    it this happened in china open or china master, people will scream bloody murder if the chinese team get a let call.

    in my book, if the receiver or his partner touches the shuttlecock on any part of his/her body, intented or not, it is a fault. If this were a let rule, then whenever my opponent does a great flick serve on me, i'll go catch it with my hand and ask the umpire for a let LOL. I will keep doing this until i get the serve i like LOLOLOL
     
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    Are you saying you would cheat in order to win? Interesting.... :confused:
     
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    I think CM was totally surprised to be hit by TBH's serve. And catching the shuttle is not the fault, it's having the shuttle touch ANY part of the body. So, that's a fault right there... but unfortunately the umpire did not see it happen. So, without resorting to instant video replay and in all fairness, she had to call it a let and replay the point again. What else could the umpire have done, without looking at instant replay? [​IMG]
     
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    I agree, but I am saying is that CM should have come clean....
     
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    Maybe he is not clear about this rule, especially when the serve was very clearly into the wrong court and so he thought the play was over already. I don't think CM is the type of character to knowingly cheat like this...
     
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    Believe me, he knows the rule......
     
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    Since he is a pro, I suppose so, but if he tries to own up to it to the umpire, one of 2 things may happen:
    1. embarrass the umpire because she should have been paying attention and seen it happen, or
    2. get shown a yellow card for trying to argue with the umpire, perhaps?
     
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    None of the two...

    Carol would have thanked him and award the point to KKK/TBH . . . . .
     
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    i said if that was the rule.:rolleyes:
     

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