Calling No-Shot

Discussion in 'Rules / Tournament Regulation / Officiating' started by TheBear, Feb 15, 2010.

  1. TheBear

    TheBear Regular Member

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    Having just read Derek S-H's unfortunate experience regarding dubious etiquette, I'm prompted to ask this, and hopefully get your help.
    In the Coventry Club league, we have an unwritten rule, which is a courtesy, in that if we strike the shuttle with any part of the racquet apart from the strings, we call "No-shot". I believe it is based on some form of fair-play consideration, meaning that if we don't use the strings then the resultant shot cannot be the one that we intended, and so we cannot accept the point should we win it.
    However, at County level and above this courtesy disappears.
    It is probably the single most cause of arguments and irritations in matches at club level, as different clubs and players have different interpretations of this practice, and so some will call "no-shot" when others simply play on.
    I've only played in the Coventry league - I'm very curious to know others' experience and any potential cures to this please!
     
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    Gollum Regular Member

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    There's no basis for this "courtesy" in the Laws.

    Lucky frame-shots happen -- just like lucky net-cord shots. Luck is part of the game.
     
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    Matt Regular Member

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    No need for such rules. That's more like a way of limiting the game with unofficial things.
     
  4. TheBear

    TheBear Regular Member

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    Gollum I agree whole-heartedly ! I'm just keen to understand if it's a localised thing or if others suffer from it too. 'Cause if its localised, it makes it easier to get rid of!
     
  5. LD rules!

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    very localized, I have never heard of this rule before, so it must just apply to your club. What happens if you intended to mis hit ?:D if you start creating these rules then people will start saying, every time they play a shot out or into the net, that they didn't intend to play that shot, and they should play the point again.
    In short, the rule doesn't work, Get rid of it !
     
  6. TheBear

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    LD - I didn't make myself clear, sorry. The "rule" states that if you mishit, you should call a fault, and lose the point, not call a let.
    It's prevailent in the Coventry league, and I believe Nuneaton and Solihull leagues. I'm just keen to understand how widely-spread this convention is.
    And if it were simply a case of losing the rule, believe me I would have made that happen :)
     
  7. LD rules!

    LD rules! Regular Member

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    that's even worse, what kind of rule is that ?
    The BWF rules state that it is not a fault as long as you hit the shuttle with a part of the racket frame shaft handle included, if the rule is good enough for LD, LCW, TH etc then it I good enough for me and everyone else.
    Try and get rid off it, as it doesn't make any sence whatsoever
     
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    Ld - like I said, I don't necessarily agree with it, I merely want to understand how widespread it is.
     
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    LD rules! Regular Member

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    Well it doesn't exist in scotland
     
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    This is a hangover from the old rules of badminton, dating back to the earliest days of badminton. Until the 1960's it was a fault if you hit the shuttle with the frame of the racket. This was changed, not sure of exactly when, so you can hit the shuttle with the frame. It might have co-incided with the introduction of metal framed rackets when play got a bit faster.
    You might want to mention that they bring the league up to date, especially if you are already playing with the rally point system.
     
  11. TheBear

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    Thanks LD
    Thanks Malsharpes - I didn't know that.
     
  12. druss

    druss Regular Member

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    I've played competitive since middle school and I've never come across this "courtesy". As already stated, if you're going to follow the IBF rules then you should follow all of them, not pick and choose and add some if you feel like it.
     
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    Here in Italy when someone gain a point mis-hitting the shuttle, he or she usually says "sorry", but nothing more ^_^

    I think fair play and respect for the opponent are wonderful things but call a lets for a mishit it's way too much IMHO
     
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    no according to TheBear they call a fault which is even more outrageous
     
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    LD rules! Regular Member

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    next we are going to have extra points for best dressed, most expensive racket, etc
     
  16. AntoTH

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    Yeah sorry i had left that passage =) i've noticed that just now;

    I think there is no doubt that frame-hitting is not a fault... the fault is to hit both with frame AND strings cause it's considered a double-hit shot
     
  17. Yoppy

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    Certainly not in INA and AUS. Never heard of such rule
     
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    Yoppy Regular Member

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    you probably need a video replay for this :rolleyes:
     
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    Thanks guys - you are adding strength to my cause, please keep it coming.
     
  20. AntoTH

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    I agree :D sometimes it's really hard to see it... referees usually are able to call it because of the sound generated by the racket :D
     

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