BAM warns Mohd Hafiz Hashim & Kuan Beng Hong

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    this is the biggest problem in malaysia's attitude.

    meaning of the bolded part above ?

    = he do not want to lose in the early rounds... but he can lose in the 'next' round. and then he'll say " hey, there's improvement !! ".....

    bah.....talked about being warned by BAM and so on.. still the same !!

    politics... everywhere.....
     
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    Both HH and KBH have remained as MAS Singles players

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    Both HH and KBH have remained as MAS Singles players because younger MAS players are still not able to beat them.

    Previous posts suggested that HH and KBH have to go because they have been doing badly internationally. But why should they, when younger MAS players cannot beat them. Also, younger MAS players have not done well at international tournaments either.

    Yes, at the international stage, only LCW has done well. Hope that Hendrawan can coach HH to have more confidence.

    Yes, let's see.
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    huh?
    both hafiz and kbh had lost:rolleyes:
    ckb beat kbh(mo 2010) and hafiz(last year if i am correct)
     
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    The good food. The yam seng sessions. The get togethers .... I think Hendrawan is still a little 'intoxicated', especially with him hoping that HH will make a comeback.

    Its like the management of Proton declaring that they will one day overtake Mercedes Benz in quality.

    A Proton is always a Proton.
     
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    Soon, CKB will replace those older uncles

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    If CKB can defeat HH and KBH more often than he was defeated by them, then CKB should be promoted into the MAS Singles team/group.

    Currently, CKB is still below some MAS Singles players' skill levels, not only HH and KBH, but also Wong Choong Hann and Tan Chun Seang.

    Yes, soon CKB will replace those older uncles (not offending them, I hope). But right now, CKB will need to train harder to defeat them more often, in order to be selected.
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    i noticed these 2 chaps, hafiz hashim and kwan benhong have been miliking the bam funds for how m any years already?and looking at the current malysian junior singles players..oh, please mighty please, i don't think they'll come up to those 2 "have been" plaeyrs' level in the next several yrs.if they do, and thats a big IF,they will probably still won't replace the 2 "have beens"

    it's time for bam to start replacing the 2 "have beens", even if they are still better than the junior players,cos they ain't gonna make much difference anyway. and plug in the junior players.
     
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    It should be based on skill levels

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    If BAM is to stimulate junior players to work harder to become National players, then no concessions should be made based on youth. It should be based on skill levels.

    If MAS experienced players are asked to leave before they get defeated by younger players, then (probably) these younger players would just wait for experienced players to retire. Malaysian younger players won't be trying as hard as they should (to make it into National team).

    BAM should include their best Malaysian players in their MAS team. There should be no age restriction. Hope that Malaysia could find some good younger players soon (in ages of 16-18).
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    bro,with all those hopes and wishes, when do you think those current junior players will show some results and actually defeat the experioenced players? and how long do you want these younger players to wait for the experienced players to retire?2, 4, 6, 8 more years? with the way things are going,i ain't seeing it happening soon. question is: ahve you or bam seen enough of waht the 2 "have been" experienced players can do? if so,don't you think it's time for them to take a hike?
     
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    The current MAS junior players are not up to the required standard

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    The current MAS junior players are not up to the required standard. Therefore currently, MAS junior players won't be able to get better results and they won't be able to consistently defeat the experienced players.
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    It's up to the experienced players to announce when they would retire

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    It's up to the experienced players to announce when they would retire.
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    Don't we think that MAS coaches can make better decisions than us BCers?

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    The 2 are not "have beens" until they younger ones make them "have beens" by defeating them consistently.

    By the way, we, BCers, can give our opinions. But really, don't we think that MAS coaches can make better decisions than us?
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    the lost generation

    i wish we all have great jobs and retire when we want to. lol

    Glad that powerhouse china isn't employing that strategy
     
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    Vijesh Rai

    WONG Choong Hann has been included in the Thomas Cup training squad, much to the dismay of the national back-up players.
    It has, one believes, affected morale, judging by the statements the coaches have been making since national singles coach Rashid Sidek said he would support recalling the veteran.

    Two reasons have been given -- for strategic purposes and the lack of depth in the national singles squad.

    We have known for a long time that Lee Chong Wei has no challengers locally as two of those who have risen through the ranks with him -- Hafiz Hashim and Kuan Beng Hong -- simply do not have the drive to excel on the international stage.

    Hafiz, many will agree, is more talented than Chong Wei but he lacks one major trait -- discipline and this has cost him dearly as he approaches the end of his career.

    There are many, in fact, who think Hafiz should have been dropped by the BA of Malaysia a long time ago but Choong Hann's inclusion proves just why the former remains in the national team.

    If Hafiz is bad, the next line of players must be even worse for BAM to persist with someone who has made it a habit of losing in the early rounds of tournaments.

    Beng Hong is no better and it is shocking that despite knowing this, BAM has consistently delayed making a decision on players who cannot contribute to the national team.

    The Bukit Jalil Sports School is well stocked with players and yet, life after Chong Wei looks bleak.

    For sure, Chong Wei is an exceptional player who has managed to stay at the top of his game but what is alarming is that the others aren't aspiring to be like him.

    This could well have to do with the fact that the players feel their positions are not under threat, especially with the likes of Hafiz and Beng Hong not delivering and yet enjoying the status of national players.

    BAM president Datuk Nadzmi Salleh has promised a more hands-on approach in the buildup to the 2012 London Olympics but this must not be limited to just the coaches.

    The players, too, need to start delivering and the only way BAM can stop recalling players past their prime is by getting firm with its own.

    Drop some of the non-performers and for sure, the rest will buck up. If not, Malaysia will have to start preparing for life without Chong Wei and it won't be pleasant.
     
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    bro,lookig at the current mas junior players and their results,when do you (your opinion) think they'll get better results and start to consitentely deafeat the experienced players?
    i know it's up to the expereinced players to announce. but i'm asking you,your own opinion? if you have no opinion, then you can say so.
    so when do you (yes, your opinion) expect the younger ones to start defeating the "have beens" consistently? 2, 4, 6 more years?

    of course the mas coaches can make beter decisions than us? i'm not asking them. the question was for you, since you probably ahve followed them,their results and know how far they've progressed.
     
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    the younger MAS players won't be able to defeat the MAS experienced players

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    IMHO, the younger MAS players won't be able to defeat the MAS experienced players until the experienced players retire.

    Currently, no younger MAS player is hungry enough to topple the experienced players with the required determined drive. That's why the MAS coaches still kept the older players in the MAS team. This is because the MAS coaches only want the best players to represent Malaysia. Age is not the issue, but skill is.
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    bro, tell me how it makes snense that the younger players won't be or will be able to defeat the mas expereinced players if the experienced palyers retire? if the expereinced retire or stop playing then they won't be able to paly against each other. defeat? what defeat?

    so,tell me, howwould you,if you're a coach feed the hunger of the younger mas playaz?and when do you feel (yes,your opinion) the younger mas playaz will be able to gain the hunger? you've seen their results and how they've perfoprmed so far,, right?
     
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    The younger players can only get selected after the better experienced retire

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    Sorry, my English wasn't good. :eek::eek::eek:

    What I meant was that the younger players can only get selected after the better experienced players retire.
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    really? you really think so,huh? so, the younger mas playaz are really not that good to be able to get seleceted for big tourneyz and will only be selected after the better experienced playaz retire?
     
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    Who should be included in the national team?

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    This question is presented in all countries:- Who should be included in the national team?

    The common answer is:- The best players should be included in the national team.

    China is an exception. This is because there are so many excellent players in China. They have depth. All other countries depend on their very best players, while China can allow the best to rest, and select the next ones.
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