looks like nobody respects anybody. lol. if I win, I will run home naked. forget about shaking hands.. lmao..
Throwing the racket towards the net while the match is still ongoing is completely on different level than whatever cursing words one may mumble, staring look against your opponent either with disdain or to intimidate (during the match) or even removing one's tshirt running half naked (after match is over). to throw your racket after match is over is another matter, to throw to the air is okay, but to throw it to your opponent direction is just bad, humiliating... whereas to throw your racket after match to the lucky crowd is highly welcomed indeed more players are expected to be more generous to throw away his/her winning racket after victory What Joachim Fischer did in FO final was just too much to swallow! Btw it's the very first time i ever see something like this in badminton!
At first I really like to see a European team able to break the dominant of Asian countries. But after seeing this guy's behavior, I really wish other XD teams especialy Xu/Ma able to beat them and shut this guy up.
This JF behaviour thing is being blown way out of proportion. I see this as mainly a cultural thing. Both Asian and Euro players employ gamesmanship, but in different ways. The Euros tend to be more vocal and expressive while the Asians maybe less so, but equally effective. To accuse JF as being the arch perpetrator of such crimes and not acknowledging Asian players committing them is hypocritical. In the case of JF, if that's his personality and it helps him on the court, so be it. The last time I checked, his job was to win titles not act prim and proper at a social tea party. Let's look at the case of a few CHN female players. Are they not the loudest and most irritating ones out there. Do they not yell needlessly after almost every point they win, even when line calls are close to influence the line judge? Don't tell me this is just their celebration. Far from innocent, they know what they are doing; they have been coached to do so. The Chinese are not stupid you know; they're exerting their fair share of gamesmanship too. I agree there is a limit to bad on-court behaviour but at the moment we're far from anything remotely resembling tennis. In fact badminton etiquette is positively saintly compared to tennis. You don't see badminton players go on a tirade, berating and threatening the umpire/linesman. JF's on court persona is something most Asian fans don't see in their culture. It adds colour to the game and should be taken for what it is. If we're going to strangle personalities and their expression, badminton will be in a more boring place. It needs to attract more general non-badminton audience, especially the younger generation. Surely the likes of LD and JF can only help in this cause. This is not our father's generation of badminton. It doesn't need to be sanitized. For those who want to keep it squeaky clean, may I suggest lawn bowls instead.
lol during the LCW v Tago match on http://www.youtube.com/bwf#p/l/0/W5Rtn-gyI5E skip to 2:35:59 - 2:36:03 did you catch the guy making fun of LCW cheeks and chen jin laughing ROFL then they realize they are on camera lol
Well written madbad! I personally have no problem with Joachim Fischer Nielsen. But I am extremely irritated by the high decibel shrieks by the CHN WS players in particular.
I do appreciate your take on the differences in the cultural issues but there are common decencies and respect in all cultures. This is not a attempt to sanitise but rather an attempt to forge understanding and respect. There is no need to add contempt in the court. Last time I've learned that the old badminton of previous generation has its own strong characters but respect is still maintain. They want to introduce respect in Football, we already have them. Don't let characters like JF or any other players be it from wherever they are from to spoil this lovely game of ours.
Are you talking about the moment when CX hit his backhand cross court drop into the net and both CP and JF were caught way out of position? As far as I can remember this was the only time JF threw his racket during the match. If this is what you are referring to, let's not take this out of context. Like I said both Danish players were well caught out of position. JF had pretty much given up on the play and threw his racket half heartedly in the direction of where the shuttle was going to land as a sign of surrender. If you look at the expression on his face after, it was one of "we got lucky there" as CX's shot went into the net. There wasn't any intent to intimidate or to humiliate his opponent. In fact it was more the case of acknowledging he had been beaten all ends up. If it was another incident, please clarify the situation. Thanks
Well, I guess to each their own. Everyone's take is a little different. I too am a badminton follower from days gone by but my cultural exposure has allowed me to be appreciative of the different personalities and what they bring. I think badminton players are still miles away from what we can term as displaying unacceptable behaviour.
As you said, it's a different take on appreciation and what is acceptable. Perhaps because of my own cultural exposure as you put it, I found him to be contemptous and his behaviour to be unacceptable. It's a pity for such a good player like him!
Below is the Head To Head record between Zhang Nan/Zhao Yunlei vs Joachim Fischer Nielsen/Christinna Pedersen: 0 - 4 for the complete advantage of the Dane pair. [TABLE="class: ruler"] [TR] [TD] [/TD] [TD]Time[/TD] [TD]Tournament[/TD] [TD]Draw[/TD] [TD="colspan: 3"] [/TD] [TD]Score[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD] [/TD] [TD="align: right"]Sat 10/29/2011[/TD] [TD]Yonex Badminton French Open 2011[/TD] [TD]XD[/TD] [TD="align: right"][TABLE] [TR] [TD="align: right"]Nan Zhang [1][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]Yunlei Zhao[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [TD="align: center"]-[/TD] [TD][TABLE] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Joachim Fischer Nielsen [4][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Christinna Pedersen[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [TD]14-21 24-22 20-22[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EBFAFF"] [TD] [/TD] [TD="align: right"]Sat 10/22/2011[/TD] [TD]Yonex Denmark Open[/TD] [TD]XD[/TD] [TD="align: right"][TABLE] [TR] [TD="align: right"]Nan Zhang [1][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]Yunlei Zhao[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [TD="align: center"]-[/TD] [TD][TABLE] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Joachim Fischer Nielsen [3][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Christinna Pedersen[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [TD]12-21 21-14 20-22[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD] [/TD] [TD="align: right"]Fri 1/21/2011[/TD] [TD]PROTON Malaysia Open[/TD] [TD]XD[/TD] [TD="align: right"][TABLE] [TR] [TD="align: right"]Nan Zhang [3][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="align: right"]Yunlei Zhao[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [TD="align: center"]-[/TD] [TD][TABLE] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD][/TD] [TD]Joachim Fischer Nielsen [6][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Christinna Pedersen[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [TD]22-20 12-21 19-21[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD] [/TD] [TD="align: right"]Sun 12/12/2010[/TD] [TD]YONEX-SUNRISE Hong Kong Open Super Series 2010[/TD] [TD]XD[/TD] [TD="align: right"][TABLE] [TR] [TD="align: right"]Nan Zhang [5][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]Yunlei Zhao[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [TD="align: center"]-[/TD] [TD][TABLE] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Joachim Fischer Nielsen [6][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Christinna Pedersen[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [TD]20-22 21-14 20-22[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Nevertheless, i still have a very high confidence that at present ZN/ZYL is still the pair to pose the highest chance to beat JFN/CP. Just note the Dane pair won all their decisive games with 2 point margin only. Just mark my words, the H2H record will be improved not long from now, ZN/ZYL and their coaches just need to refocus to this Dane pair to beat them! Perhaps JF will be humbler after that... as CP herself is just a nice person.
yes, the JF racket throwing referred to that moment. Only i didn't interpret it in the way you did, seeing all his other gestures during the match. But i won't close my eyes that a cultural division could be the culprit here. Anyhow thanks too for elaborating this matter.
Yeah, I noticed that! Was that WZM? LOL But that's OK really IMO, most of these guys are quite young; they work pretty hard at their game and stuff, and they can't "behave" themselves 24/7. I think in the end one has to be a bit understanding of their age, situation (different countries/cultures/evironments every week) and the stress this may put them under, so it becomes very easy to blow such little things out of proportion. Most of the Chinese (and some other Asian team players) team players come from a very cloistered/protected/limited-exposure environment; it takes a long time for some of them to get used to the idea of constant exposure, and the need for conducting oneself "correctly" all the time! Again, this is my opinion; it's what I see and observe. But on balance, they all conduct themselves very well. I'm sure if you met almost all players in person, regardless of which country they come from, you'd find them to be very nice, respectful people on balance. If we are to be honest, most of us do the same things ourselves at some time or other; the only difference is we don't have to fear getting caught on camera.
No problem. Again, everyone sees things a little differently. I honestly think JF had absolutely no malicious intention when he gently tossed the racket at where he thought the bird would land.
Yeah - I saw that that... The referee called him twice - and said "I know what that means" in a very coy manner.. I bet Fischer must be cursing Found that quite funny. All that said - after watching Fisher and Pederson play in the recent Denmark and French Open, I must say that they are my fav XD teams. I do agree that Fischer can be seen to be overly aggressive and rude to some - heck I would get pissed if I have an opponent like that, but looking at it objectively maybe it's his fiery nature that fuels his victory. At least his volatility is balanced by his demure partner, Pedersen who is always calm. Just like yin and yang.
