In my opinion,China's badminton system can be even corrupted than Malaysia's,and what is worse,quite unlike the fooyball's or malaysia's,this truth is difficult for the media to disclose,and this topic can not easiliy discussed.As for LYB,I would say that it is the current seemingly prosperity that covers most of the darkness,and his success can be coincidence,which results from some players with great talent like LinDan, Zhangning,whose success owing more to their efforts and their former coaches, not LYB alone.He is just a man who takes advantage of others' fruits and continues to show himself as they were all his contributions.
Not to mention 4 out of CHN's 6 WC titles are won by Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun, who still lack the Olympic Gold Medal & Asian Games Individual Event Gold Medal in their collection. Fu/Cai still have one more chance to correct it at the London Olympic next year. It's also quite obvious from the AJC & WJC results in the last few years that it is possibly quite difficult for CHN to produce another Fu/Cai at least for the next few years. Unless of course they mix and match the players. At the moment, these are the ones they have: 1. Liu Xiaolong/Qiu Zihan (WR15) 2. Shen Ye/Hong Wei (WR18) 3. Tao Jiaming/Zhang Nan (WR86... a new partnership...remains to be seen if it will last) They will also need to find a new player for Chai Biao as Guo Zhendong might be retiring post Olympics. If Guo/Chai can win the Olympics Bronze Medal, maybe Guo wants to delay his pending retirement for at least 1-2 more years?
I subscribe to the idea that it is inherent in the very ambitious man to want the full glory himself. He wants to be No.1 on his own and does not want to share his crown with others. Team work is secondary. So the MS event suits him and when he wins, he takes everything and needs not share his prize with his partner. But thankfully the choice is not left entirely to the player himself. His coach or panel of coaches will probably determine whether he is suitable in the light of the team's current situation.
. I am all confused whether we are teasing YY (the female player) or not...... Or are we talking about YY, the male player? .
Another random suggestion: Maybe China doesnt produce good frontmen. The MD smasher, XD, and MS player are more similar in role, while the MD frontman is kinda a niche job. The chinese production system maybe trains the players more for MS, so they get XD and MD backmen ok, but no frontmen. No good frontman in front = no win, since at top level the backmen are seem relatively easier to find. Even Cai Yun actually is kinda ok as a backman, suggesting that they really have no specialist frontmen and CaiYun seems to be a lucky accident with ALL the skills necessary. Maybe many frontmen even got weeded out early by their MS-focussed system since big smashing/endurance is more necessary for the other 3 jobs, but not so necessary for the MD frontmen job. Probably all the good frontmen with the fast reflexes+anticipation+decisionmaking+perfect touch are all playing table tennis . Perhaps they can go poach some table tennis players?
With your suggestion CBA may end up with front man player playing in 2 sports Department.. Once he finishes his table tennis match.. he will quickly rush up to Badminton Hall for Badminton match..
Well, the answer to the problem is quite simple, traditionally, MD was not highlly valued compared to MS&WS by CBA as well as the Chinese media and badminton fans. 1. All players were trained as MS player until some found no prospects as WS and turned into MD. 2. There were not enough systemic training methods for MD compared to what CBA had in MS&WS. 3. Rewards to MD player were much less than MS&WS players of same class. Maybe Cai&Fu are exceptional, since they are good-looking player who can attract advertising agencies. Of cause, the situation started to change slowly in recent years, and with the success of Cai&Fu as examples, maybe more and more young talents will be intertested in MD.
Why do BCers think that China won't be able to produce decent MD pairs ??? . Some have said that after the retirement of Cai Yun and Fu Haifeng, CHN won't be strong in the MD division any more. IMHO, I find it strange to read all these comments. LYB was a top MD player before; Now that he is CHN's top/head coach, I am sure he can give more guidance to CHN's MD players, more than to the other 4 divisions. So why do BCers think that China won't be able to produce decent MD pairs for the future? .
The Chinese MD pairs apart from Cai-Fu are not up to scratch at all, look at their disappointing run in the Malaysian Open. They can be beaten so easily by any unheralded pair and that shows how weak and poor the coaching system dedicated for Men's Double in China. Well I am not saying Li Yongbo or Tian Bingyi aren't good coaches, but I am pretty sure obviously there's something wrong or a tangible flaw in their coaching methods to produce MD pairs which has to be reviewed seriously. Either it is their problem or the players themselves are simply lousy or not as talented as the rest (relatively compared to Malaysian and Indonesian new talents). Bear in mind very well Cai Yun and Fu Haifeng are the product of the Thing similarly to Lin Dan and Bao Chunlai. They didn't emerge out of nowhere without any reason.
What is your definition of a good pair? The top of the world? LOL Reach SF in a tournament = disappointing? So you're telling me that Kido/Setiawan is a pushover?
My definition of a good pair is a pair that has the dynamics and creativity to challenge or even better cause upsets to other pairs. Chinese pairs are lacking those two attributes. They just attack like machines but without any tactical play. The bottom line is .... scratch pairs from China doesn't show much prospect than other scratch pairs form other countries like MAS, INA and KOR. Look at KOR in particular...the Korean players can play with any combination and do some damage..
Are you just anti China? Cause so far, most things you've posted have been fairly wide of the mark. Firstly in another thread you blatantly stated that LD and CL didnt have the ability to beat LCW, which is proven on countless occasions to be untrue. Also stating that nobody else could beat LCW, again not true. Now you've stated that chinese pairs aren't good, cause they lack tactical thinking. I would disagree, stating that Cai Yun is a tactical master - and proving this he's won 4 WC. You can't do that from just brute force... Scratch pairings are fairly irrelavent. Next you'll be saying that the Wangs aren't good WS players, or that Wang/Yu are rubbish WD players cause they lost in Korea.
Ha ha, just learned something. Besides the phrase "Malaysia Boleh', they also have "syiok sendiri'. Talk is cheap, ppl are entitled to their opinion. But records will hold. It's just that simple. 20 years down the road, ppl will ask "which player(s) have won the WC, Olympic". The answers are on record - cast on stone. I don't think many of us will remember who won the most China Open, Indonesian Open or Danish Open. I do remember Morten Frost winning a few AE titles.
Nobody is saying that the chinese MD are BAD. Just that they are not as good as the rest of the chinese combinations once you remove FHF/CY. You would think a country with such a ridiculous number of top MS players would be equally dominant at MD too with say 3 or more top MD pairs instead of one lone top-pairing.
Look, the main point is that CHINA has GOOD men doubles pairs. But apparently the TS thought that being good means being able to perform by being a scratch pair. Who was a scratch pair when they won the Malaysian Open in 2010? Think again! Even if you are so dominant, there must be an Achilles Heel somewhere, and for China it happens to be mens doubles. Their men doubles are damn good, and they even have one pair that is the best in the world alongside their Korean counterparts, while their second and third pair is not bad too. And you dare to say that their MD is not good because they don't dominate like WS, WD and XD? Why don't we create a thread saying 'Why Can't Malaysia Produce EVEN average Men's Doubles pairs?"
Its just because of the outspoken dominance in the other disciplines that the contrast is this noticeable. As undeadshot pointed out, they do not have bad pairs, the pressure from other countries is just higher in MD.
To be fair I have agree with the OP, even Li Yongbo said once during the Sudirman cup tournament of 2009 that the tournament was designed to be against China because their Men Double's was their weakest discipline. In my opinion when I do look at their other disciplines they do dominate harder than they do in Men Doubles and it would be interesting to see in the future if they could have 2-3 pairs on a Cai/Fu standard. Just like how right now they have great players in other disciplines but they have more than just 1 fantastic pair/player.
