Beginner/Intermediate/Advance

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  1. Budi

    Budi Regular Member

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    How a racket manufacturer (Yonex, Lining, Viktor, etc) categorize their racket?

    From price? But it would only affect material quality which better material would result better performance but with that isnt it would be more forgiving & would be easier for all rank.

    From shaft flex? On all rank there is alot of variety of flex.

    Sweet spot? Maybe, idk.

    So, what do u think?
     
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    Male wise, perhaps by flex and tension. If it's stiff and can take high tension, it's usually for advanced players.
     
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    the question is not does this VTZF2 is in advance/intermediate or this AX77 is an advance/intermediate.

    But how would they put racket into specific category? What parameter they use to categorize it?

    Like if we said price, AX 7 & 9 is the same budget racket yet AX7 is intermediate yet AX9 is advance.

    If we say stiffnes/flex, maybe... As AX 9 is stiff yet AX7 is mid flex. But again, if we see other racket like for example lining 3D Calibar 900C is stiff yet 900B mid flex.

    If its frame durability to wishtand high tension, we had budget VT *DG series that able to hold 35lbs.
     
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    OK, so most advance is on the right while most beginner is on the left.
    While head balance is kinda preferance so that we had all category in those section.

    But if we say advance racket had solid feel, how we can explain VTF as intermediate while VT50ETN is on its left but its in advance? Or Duora 88 Aero intermediate agains Duora 10 which also on the left of DUO88AERO. Or VT1TR as beginner yet VT5FX as intermediate that locate far on the left.

    & this we just talking 1 brand Yonex only yet we know each of them do categorize their racket to.
     
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    50 etune does look odd being advanced. Did Yonex make mistakes with the chart? o_O

    Isn't VT1TR the new training racket? It can be for anybody but you won't use it for competition unless you are Thor.
     
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    To some extent its just marketing/tech. If it:
    - has all the new tech and stiff, then advanced
    - has some/few new tech and stiff, then advanced
    - has all the new tech and mid flex, then intermediate
    - has high flex, then beginner
     
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    VTF was a really crappy feeling racquet to me, and is essentially a takedown/budget version of VTZF2. therefore if you're looking at something similar to VTF/VTZF2, one is considered the "advanced" product

    i really don't know what you are talking about. DUO88 and DUO10 are rated pretty much identically aside from a head-heavy bias.

    if you don't understand why a training racquet (VT1TR) is for beginners, i really cannot help you further.

    ...yes which is answering your question in the original post.



    again, please:
     
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    outside manufacturer thinking, my understanding is:
    Beginner : dont have enough power muscle & skill, so for them to learn skilk better they use more flex racket to help their power.
    Intermediate : have some good muscle & skill so they prefer flex to mid flex (preferance for each player)
    Advance : have well trained muscle & skill, so they dont need power help but they need more accuracy/control which is why they go for stiff.

    Head heavy or light is just for different play style.

    But the chart doesnt explain well for sure as few of my example using those in the picture & kinda bias.
    If we say the most right area is advance, few intermediate racket is on the right of advance racket.

    Or with ur explaination about VTF, could it be that copy (2nd grade) of VTZF2 will be put on intermediate. Like AX77 in advance & AX7 in intermediate, a downgrade version. Which mean just a marketing stuff.
     
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    I was wrong about the VT1TR being a training racket. It is simply a 4U beginners racket in a choice of 2 colours - suggesting it is for recreational/garden pit-pat games and nothing more.

    All you can dertermine from the graph is that rackets on the right are stiff, rackets on the left are flexible. Stiffness does not equate ability but is an indication of preference and providing "the right tool for the job". It takes more than 2 basic factors to make a racket for beginner, intermediate or advanced players. The flex point, swing weight, frame size, shaft length, etc etc etc

    The days of manufacturers making a single racket and players customising it themselves with tape are long gone. If there is a niche then there is a racket for it...with maybe the exception of the complete opposite of a VTZF2 - super light, head light and super flexible.
     
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    The chart provides some trend but it doesn't tell the whole story. For example, why is Nanoray Glanz put in the intermediate column instead of beginner? After all, the spec seems great for beginners. I suspect it's targeted at more serious players (because of its price) who need easy power (getting older or injured). So we have determined that price and type of players they target might be a factor.
     
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    The GlanZ was described to me as a coffee morning ladies racket. Over 55's with plenty of disposable income who want to show off their expensive racket when in reality they play slowly for 1 hour a week with friend and are never going to exploit the potential of any racket. I am surprised it didn't come with a woven lace cover and a flowery paint job if that was the case.
     
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    Compare to this chart which suggests you progress from bottom left to top right with ability. However, you would not start out with a windstorm 72.
    Again, the charts are indicative only. It is hard to qualify subjective attributes but there is no harm in trying to generalise.

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