is it ok to place ending knots on crosses?

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  1. konstancij

    konstancij Regular Member

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    I generally try to avoid two strings going between same grommets. on rackets with shared holes its kind of required, but still can be minimized.sometimes, placing knots on croses, looks nicier, at least to me. Are there any disadvantages in that? what do you think? official patterns are with knots on mains.

    (if this question was already answered, please link the thread. I have not found any)
     

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    Mark A Regular Member

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    IMO having knots inside the "grid" looks like absolute arse, but there's no danger in it.

    Cross-knots-on-crosses is very common in tennis and squash.
     
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    asmd6230 Regular Member

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    Grommets are already placed for starting and ending knots on most all rackets. Am sure they're placed there for a reason.. to minimize load in any one area wrt to knots? I never questioned this.. so would like to know.

    My pet peeve is YY which skips two holes at the throat for ending of crosses. thats just untensioned string.
    I add extra lbs to compensate, but sometimes im riding on the edge for Eg string 28lbs on a racket rated for 28lbs.., last pull is 30 lbs to compensate for the untensioned string.

    But not all brands do that skip 2 to end.

    Btw, 3 strings through 1 shared grommet, that must have taken a bit of effort. :)
     
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    konstancij Regular Member

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    ah indeed, finished racket look quite wierd. not sure i like the look.

    all my cheap rackets have huge shared grommets, It must be possible to even insert 4th with some lube. higher class rackets are pita for even two.
     
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    No pb with a buckle of dental floss, you can easily insert 3 with no risk. ;)
     
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    I usually don't, but specifically for aerobite's I use a suggested by Tim* technique where you reverse the last (top) three crosses and tie it off on the top shared hole for crosses (modern YY patterns, 2 o'clock) and tie on the cross. This reduces breakages, apparently. I only tried a handful of times, but for me, without it, it did break earlier than with the trick. Now, they last pretty damn long.
     
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    I always liked that about YY - I didn't like knots too close to the grid.
    Tension loss for two-away vs one-away is negligble; no harm in adding a couple of pounds, but no real need to.
     
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    Are you ending at the throat? Going top down?

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    I always try to tie on my crosses for tennis, as for badminton, unless you sre doing a conventional string pattern I don't see how you can tie on a cross unless you drill out the hole and replace with a fatter grommet. When I start my crosses I tie my mains at 9 and cross knot at 8. Crosses start at 9[​IMG]

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    I've never encountered a baddy racket with a cross-only double-pass grommet. Not even the freaky 96-hole Forzas have them, IIRC.

    Btw - the B9 knots in the picture? That was the arse I mentioned :p
     
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    This is my top, but only use this on very thin hybrids like AB and ABBT.

    Bottom is just regular yonex pattern (B6 and B8?).
     

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    Yes, i go top down to the throat for crosses. Just became a habit after i figured if im going to add a little more tension for the tie off, racket frame is stronger at the bottom. Most rackets skip a hole or two top or bottom, so i figured it comes to the same thing wrt to untensioned string on the outside.
     

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