New strung racket way lower tension, need advise

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  1. UkPlayer

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    Bought 2 new rackets strung with BG80 at 26 and 27lbs.

    One arrived with less than 22lbs and dead strings according to the stringing app. Second one fine on arrival but has lost around 3-4lbs in less than 2 weeks, never had this before.

    Place I bought it from aren't being particularly proactive in this. Anything I can look for on the racket that will give away what they've done?
     
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    What string?
     
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    Did you buy from a tennis shop? Were their machines manual machines? I might guess strung on manual machines, with a dial in 5 pound increments maybe mistook 22 for 27? 1 might have been strung by a decent stringer and 1 might have been strung by a rookie stringer? Are knot placements the same and look the same? Maybe find a different shop to string your rackets?

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    Kwun, strung with BG80


    Kakinami
    No it was quite a well known badminton store, don't want to post the name. They sent me a photo of the stringing with the tension. I'll have a look at the knot placements. Never had anything like this happen.
     
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    It looks like from the photos, one of them was done on a Babolat Star 5 and the other on a yonex machine - precision 5 judging by the colour

    It can't be some weird thing about the racket model can it? It's an apacs flyweight 73 so mid-range, 76 holes, 30lbs max
     
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    If they are not being proactive you should warn other people not to visit this place. To me customer service is very important, if you think I made a mistake I want to fix it. They should want to make the customer happy. If they are quite well known bad customer service is terrible.

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    Star 5 is a proper tennis machine, having a Precision 5.0 sounds like they just bought to cater to badminton customers. Spending a lot on a tennis machine and then half for a badminton machine, sounds like a proper tennis shop that just does badminton as a side thing.

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    do you mean they showed you photos of your rackets on the machine after you complained about it? they must be very proactive in taking photo records of all stringing they do in that case.

    otherwise...
     
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    Having the machine dialed in at the proper tension is not guarantee. If they hired sloppy stringers and double pull, you will easily end up with 22lbs no matter what machine it is.

    Having 2 rackets on 2 machines means that they have more than one stringer and the 2 rackets are done by different ones.

    Not a good way to guarantee consistency and predictability.
     
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    Yes they sent photos of the rackets on the machines.

    I will name them if I don't get a resolution.

    It's the racket that's dropped tension so quickly that's confusing me more than the one that arrived strung to the wrong tension. I don't understand how that can happen, any suggestions?
     
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    Sounds like you're using Stringster? That app seems to work fine this time and then it's totally useless other times.... A friend's racket was always measured at 10.5 kp, no matter what string, how old, what tension, .... all of that with a clearly different ping.

    And that's how those apps work, with the ping. They measure the frequency and estimate the tension from it. There's some things to take into account, first of all, the main drop in tension happens within the first days. Then, different temperatures and different humidity seem to influence the frequency quite a lot. Please have a look here...

    https://www.badmintoncentral.com/fo...riments-1-piece-vs-2-piece-and-others.188234/

    Then there's all the unknowns when the racket was strung, was it the same stringer, the same machine, was the stringer familiar with the machine...

    The best solution might be to buy rackets without strings in the future and have your trusted stringer string them.
     
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    How did you measure those 3-4 lbs.? Also with Stringster? And what was the measured value when you received it?

    I can't really imagine how this would happen without the string being obviously damaged. A tension loss of around 5% would be normal within 2 weeks, so you should end up with a reading at around 25 lbs. now. Maybe add another 0.5 lbs. if the stringer has epically botched up the knots or finished the job with massively bent strings, but that's about it.
     
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    I used stringster, but also cross checked it against a few club players who have their rackets at different tensions. Yes it was around 26 when arrived, but now around 22.

    I've been using BG80 at these tensions for a couple of decades and never had a loss like this, I usually get a good few months out of them.

    The stringing was free with the racket which was part of the appeal, not such a good deal after all then.
     
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    If I were to guess how someone's tension might drop dramatically, I would guess pulling 2 mains and 2 crosses at the same time might do that trick. I recently saw a video of a stringer trying to do a quick job by pulling 2 mains at 1 time instead of pulling each main individually and then 2 crosses at the same time instead of individually. The first string doesn't have the actual tension because the grommet is causing friction not allowing it to get the actual tension as the 2nd string is. So after play my guess is maybe you have 24 or 25 pounds in your first string and then 27 in your 2nd string, after playing your looser strings might eat up some of your tighter strings tension, causing your tension to drop, your playing adds a little more tension loss, giving a dramatic drop in your tension. I am not into all the tech stuff, stringster, friendster, porn hub, sorry I am into the last one, but just my guess...

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    is it the machine issues for the 1st case?
     
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    Right, having spent some time reading about stringing now, I actually get what you're saying that they pulled 2 cross and 2 mains to save time.

    2 stringers, 2 machines, clearly learned my lesson now about shops as I never really used them before, been lucky to have friends and coaches string mine till now.

    Might see me pop up on here asking for machine recommendations soon. Thanks to everyone for the advice.
     
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    If you play a lot and you learn to love how to string, if you decide to buy a machine and have lots of friends, you will pay it off in no time!

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    100% agree with Alan here. Stringing is amazing and adds another very interesting layer to the whole sport. Best feeling ever to stept on court and not having to think about if your string job is okay or when you could squeeze in the next trip to your stringer. You need a certain budget upfront, but it will be paying itself off at some point.

    What you need though is:
    - time, patience and willingness to learn
    - to be willing to push through an initial phase of massive frustration
    - some space at home to set up your stringing corner

    Everything else can be purchased. :)
     
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    Maybe the clamping pressure wasnt adequate and string is slipping without the stringer noticing it.
     
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    Was it Tennisnuts? I bought a strung racket from them, supposed to be 24lb but felt more like 16! I complained and got a couple of sets of string as compensation.
     

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