What is the "truth about TH"??.. ssuly, thanks again for the input...Well, if you said "If the process of cancelling out those opposite views is ideal (exactly same domination from the pros and cons), then the truth can be revealed between them", then like bananaboy mentioned above, mind explaining what that "truth about TH" is??..And if so, is that *your own* "truth" or one that, at least, can be "acceptable" to both sides... Anyways, re your last paragraph, no, don't have to worry, there's no ATHDF here,( i hope not &as far as i know) . As mentioned before, cooler, virusvoodoo, myself and others are just putting forth an objective point of view, eventhough they might sound "over the top and anti-Taufik" to you. ... BTW, where's our taufik-ist??..looks like taufik-ist will have to request a change in the thread topic..hehe
Although you call yourself a realist (maybe at least more realistic than those excuses on TH), your opinions on TH do not seem to be realistic enough. It doesn't make sense at all if TH fans doesn't care much about what people view about TH... It makes sense if TH fans gave up caring about it... This is because you guys have somehow been so dominance in this argument.. unfortunately, this dominance is not based on a realistic enough opinions (not really based on good reasoning and facts)... That's why I tried to view TH more realistically (again based on good reasoning and facts), so that we're getting closer to the truth.
It's the real truth that can only be visible by someone if and only if he met these three steps: 1. Be able to understand his real position in the arguments, filter out only the realistic views from his paradigm. 2. Be able to understand opposite position in the arguments, filter out only the realistic views from that position. (this step in indeed tough for us as humans to do it well, and nearly impossible to complete it perfectly) 3. Be able to combine those two realistic views to produce the real truth that is standing in between. note: - I bolded the word understand in number two just because it's much tougher to understand the opposite position. - paradigm is simply your views based on your own value, vanity, personal feelings, etc. - realistic views must be based on good reasoning and facts in order to reveal the truth. - the real truth can not be 100 percent true but it's the truest of all. I wrote some truths on TH by applying my theory above in my previous post which explain about the paradigm stuff.
Oh boy, everyone needs to stop posting on this thread, it's going round and round and beyond ridiculous now.
hey i don't care what they said about taufik, hey ssuly i think your logic little little error, you're always said this is the truth but i think many your opinion is errorr or maybe b*** **** you take a conclusion in a fact happen now, you never see behind the past year when the controvensy begin, if u see behind 2000 you'll find that actually taufik is a good boy same as lin dan,bcl now when there's still players like hendrawan, marleve, haryanto. the controvensy of taufik begin in 2003, after taufik comes back from singapore, in that time taufik soon realise that he was the only MS that PBSI counting it., and lets start the show That i think it's stupid if u said that taufik injuries bla..bla.. , the TRUTH IS taufik just wanna said to lin dan "lin dan see u in AG, i got the money, and ok now you better than me but i'll make your win is not valuable, if u want the real victory don't be lost before facing me in AG". it's stupid thing too, some comentator in this forum said if every player doing likes taufik do there will be a chaos in badminton so the conclusion is taufik bad character the others (lin dan, peter, LCW) is good character HAHAHAHA, is not because they good because they CAN'T do it that, how can u judge some personality person if u never meet him, every country have different written and unwritten rule if lin dan do that i think we'll never see lin dan again so don't be so naive said that taufik injuries bla..bla... the cooler and other said the truth but they just can't enjoy the way of taufik
well, if TH is playing head game with LD by pretending to be a weak prey (HKO, JO, CO) and hope to pounce on a deceived LD at doha, TH will be in a big surprise. Why? from what i have seen from LD, he is mentally stronger, he look faster, and hit harder, net touch better and understand taufik tactic better than before (2005). The only plus for TH is that there is one less chinese player to clash with (CH). BTW, taufik shouldn't gift a win to LCW so he can meet LD
TH is in no mood to gift anyone cos his first priority is to up his ranking points. When he reaches top 4 in 2007, things will look more exciting.
Taufik Hidayat is a colourful character for Badminton Greetings, I am glad that we have a colourful character in Badminton like Taufik Hidayat. He reminded me of one of our greatest International Chess Player, Bobby Fischer. Quite often... we get an eccentric player in a particular sport. WELL DONE, TAUFIK HIDAYAT !!! Cheers... chris@ccc
In that case I think Lin Dan needs some recognition with the controversies he stirres up due his bad sportmanship! As much as I hate it, I want to be fair to Lin Dan since Taufik is getting some praises for his controversial actions/behaviors, especially at the Malaysian Open this year. I guess in that sense we would not have anything to discuss without players like Taufik Hidayat and Lin Dan.
yup, it would be very boring after paying admission and you don't see taufik playing because he walk out again, LOL
that's is why it's so hard to understand diehard TH fans, TH bad behavior is good, LD bad behavior is bad.
Lin Dan has already famous, but Don't u see voodoo Lin Dan just another great player in badminton history, in my opinion lin dan now plays greatly but taufik he is different he plays beautifully, so people like Lin Dan makes badminton boring especially with his winning pose, but taufik makes badminton interesting eventhough he lost. Why do u think IBF choose taufik as the best player in 2005 and 2006 he just winning five tiltles in that year , 2004 ( Asian C, OG) 2005 (WC,IO,SO) , why not choose Lin Dan which he is very very superior in that time. bad attitude?, what a kind of attidue do u think he is bad, he never get caught by police like rooney, buffon, or maradona, and can u tell me if there's someone in this forum tells that lin dan is a bad person. The problem is that u can't accept that taufik makes something different that has never been happen in badminton history, a player that can win OG, WC,AG for the first time and in other aspect can be defeat easily with uknown person, a player that can win whenever he really like too but sometimes he just want to lost for his pleasure or maybe he's the only person who made his opponent winning not valuable. taufik is the person who knows to get the best, being number one is not u can received the best thing, but sometimes if u lose actually you win, but if u win actually u lost, taufik knows that better.
The difference is that Taufik has a special type of charisma and chemistry than that of LD's. One is called a Robin Hood, the other a rascal if caught with stolen goods. But this is good for it pulls in the crowd.
Actually, the level between top 5, even top 10 players are so close and competitive that they usually give each other a good game when they meet up. With that said, we have such competitive players like Lin Dan, Peter Gade, Lee Chong Wei, Lee Hyun-Il, Kenneth Jonassen, Chen Hong, Bao Chunlai, Chen Jin, etc.. that we don't really need Taufik for some some good match-ups. In fact, since Taufik is no longer motivated nor in-form (as shown recently) it is actually better if we substitute those players in Taufik's spot because they'll give a better fight for the fans/spectators. Since he's not much of an obstacle anymore the statement you made above is not valid as he's almost helpless against players who can outlast him. That may have been true back when he won the Olympic or the World Championship but not now since he's been losing twice to Chen Hong, who couldn't trouble him much in the past. I mean come on now, even Peter Gade revenged his lost at the World Championship this year by beating Chen Hong in the Japan Open and we all know how old Peter Gade is and that he has a wife & kid. Taufik do not even have any kid yet and he's this lazy so imagine how he'll be when he does start to have kids or when he turns 30 even. I doubt he'll still be around at the age of 28, much less 30, if he keeps this kinda "shannigans" up.
ha..ha , i'm still surprised this thread is growing longer , i just wanted to 'counter' some postings about taufik-withdraw in worldcup, becos some people here didn't believe taufik was injury and they also made some jokes on him. one thing for sure: taufik is one of the most sportmanship players (for example, if his oponnent asks him to change the shuttle, th is always willing to do it wihout aksing why) and also one of the greatest players (asian champion[2000], asian games champion[2002], olympic champion[2004],WC champion[2005]). let's see taufik in next superseries grand prixs taufik make badminton colorful
becos taufik is rich enough and can live prosperous in indonesia, on other hand PG lives in denmark where the living-cost is much higher than in indonesia, PG must work hard to earn money from playing badminton , and taufik just need to win one big tournaments (olympic) and that has made him rich enough he..he
It seems to me that almost every post that just shows a bit of support (not fanatism) for TH is replied with either posts that press on his behaviours or some sarcastic comments...
Bobby Fisher and Taufik Hidayat (!!??) Bobby Fischer is the controversial one who bring chess player receive a huge prize nowaday. He was refuge to play against the Russian due to his demand for a winner's prize was not fullfiled (correct me whenever necesary). I doubt TH is the one who bring baminton player receive the so huge money. However, he is the first badminton player (in Indonesia) who receive a billion rupiahs bonus from sponsor for his winning in Olympic. The most important point I can get from this thread is the developing vocabulary I have ..... I wonder Taufik Hidayat himselef join in this tread.......
