2016 Rio Olympic Games : Day-8 (18th August) - WD Gold Medal, WD &MD Bronze Medal, WS Semifinals

Echonov said:
I screen captured the shuttle change dispute and raquet swat here.

I thought it was a pretty rude gesture. Matsutomo's raquet was a little too close, but not in her face. Juhl could have ignored it, just like she ignored the umpire's clear gesture to hand over the shuttle after looking at it quite closely. I actually agree that the shuttle looked pretty beat up and probably should have been changed; I've seen cleaner ones get changed, but Juhl's mistake was trying to argue with the umpire. That only makes them double down harder.

But you can see they make apology gestures to each other before the next rally so it's all good? The next point is the double hit, and the Japanese let that one go much faster than the earlier "hair hit?" from Takahashi. Seems trying to reason with the umpire is absolutely pointless.
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No one saw the double-hit but Matsutomo (she was arguably closer to the shuttle than Rytter herself)-- neither Takahashi nor the Japanese coaches backed her up-- in fact, Matsutomo wasn't sure himself and merely put it across as a question/request to the Umpire... or maybe she was so sure of herself that she didn't mind playing on?

Broadcast video review is not allowed because broadcasters are not in fact independently assessed "3rd parties" to the event, but the Japanese might have put in an objection to the tournament referee and asked the service judge to give witness if they were sure what happened.

Similarly, the Danish didn't back up their girls when they complained the Japanese coaches called the shot before the shuttle landed and the line judges made their decision-- nobody knew/heard what happened but the Japanese and line judges themselves....
 
nokh88 said:
A few last shots by LXR looked out but CM took them.
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And smash them to end LXR's misery-- all fans treat their favorite players as special snow-flakes... but Tee Jing Yi deserved just as much (or even more) respect in that she actually played on WITHOUT asking some MAS physio to attend to her.

There was actually nothing the CHN chiropractor could/should have done-- "setting the bone" the way she did is NO WAY to treat a torn ACL (confirmed by CCTV newflash towards the end of live transmission)-- but no one could have known it was an ACL injury without the MRI, so I guess it's yet another case of athletes having too little care/knowledge of their own physical conditions and pushing themselves too far...
 
Forestal said:
Only the Japanese know. The replay showed Takahashi suddenly dropping her racquet to let shuttle die after she jumped full height to take it despite it being quite obviously wide (on hindsight)
The last time LYB allegedly made abusive/disrespectful remarks on court to LD's opponent, it was also let go because no one but LYB could be sure what happened.
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Forestal said:
Only the Japanese know. The replay showed Takahashi suddenly dropping her racquet to let shuttle die after she jumped full height to take it despite it being quite obviously wide (on hindsight)

The last time LYB allegedly made abusive/disrespectful remarks on court to LD's opponent, it was also let go because no one but LYB could be sure what happened.
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mafan said:
I too did not find any incidents during the match that may be characterized as unsportsmanlike or cheating.
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so, what do you call when someone double hitted the shuttlecock and continue playing, or after the shuttlecock rebounded off the floor?

badminton is known as the gentlemen's game (ok, not quite politically corrected) for a good reason!
 
Forestal said:
And smash them to end LXR's misery-- all fans treat their favorite players as special snow-flakes... but Tee Jing Yi deserved just as much (or even more) respect in that she actually played on WITHOUT asking some MAS physio to attend to her.

There was actually nothing the CHN chiropractor could/should have done-- "setting the bone" the way she did is NO WAY to treat a torn ACL (confirmed by CCTV newflash towards the end of live transmission)-- but no one could have known it was an ACL injury without the MRI, so I guess it's yet another case of athletes having too little care/knowledge of their own physical conditions and pushing themselves too far...
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What the CHN chiropractor or "bone setter" did was very risky. She used only a few seconds to check LXR's knee and immediately tried to set the knee. Must be some highly skilled kung fu exponent.
 
pcll99 said:
Which one did Wang Xin and Wang Lin go to?
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If my memory serves me right, Wang Xin and Wang Lin were treated in Germany, underwent surgery. Wang Xin took about a year to make a comeback but she was never the same again and retired soon afterwards. Wang Lin actually suffered three ACL incidents, poor thing, the first two occasions she was treated but on the third, she just let it be and quit for good, too much to bear.

I really hoped LXR's case isn't too serious but realistically, I'd expect her to come back to top level competitive badminton after only 6 - 9 months and only then begin to show some decent results. The last time , at the 2014 French Open in the final with WSX, she sustained a surface fracture on her leg which she opted for a slow and long recovery process rather than surgery, and it took her a year to regain her form.

Personally, though I'm disappointed with her lack of mental toughness, I wish to see her come back stronger than ever because she is such a talent, a complete all-rounder, still the best in my opinion. And, yes, I'm still hopeful she'll one day overcome the demon in her and get the big titles she deserves. Wish her a speedy recovery and time for some self-reflection during her rehabilitation period. Li Xuerui will be back !
 
AlanY said:
so, what do you call when someone double hitted the shuttlecock and continue playing, or after the shuttlecock rebounded off the floor?

badminton is known as the gentlemen's game (ok, not quite politically corrected) for a good reason!
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It´s really for the umpire to decide whether it was a double hit or whether the shutte touched the floor. That´s his job. The players are busy enough with playing world class badminton and trying to win Olympic gold. As they should, they leave umpiring decisions to the umpire. How often do you see players give charity points to each other, even in a small tournament? If it happened on the Japanese side they would have done exactly the same as the danes (take the point and say nothing).
 
It wasn't Li Xuerui who requested for the CHN physiotherapist (most likely) or chiropractor (unlikely) to come over, rather the latter did it out of genuine concern for her injury and safety as a medical practitioner because LXR appeared to want to carry on, unwisely.

Remember what happened in LCW's case at the 2013 WC? A leg cramp and the entire incident played out like a couple of times and for quite a long while. True, the MAS medic didn't attend to him as the tournament doctor and another personnel were already doing what was required, spraying lots of muscle relaxant and some massaging. I believe the CHN medic's intention was not so much to get LXR back on her feet to carry on the match, also at that instant there's no way for her to assess correctly the extent of her injury. In such an exigency or emergency situation, it's human nature to forget what the tournament rules allow or forbid, understandably.
 
vixter said:
It´s really for the umpire to decide whether it was a double hit or whether the shutte touched the floor. That´s his job. The players are busy enough with playing world class badminton and trying to win Olympic gold. As they should, they leave umpiring decisions to the umpire. How often do you see players give charity points to each other, even in a small tournament? If it happened on the Japanese side they would have done exactly the same as the danes (take the point and say nothing).
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Silly me, if I double hitted or the shuttle drop onto the floor I would stop play and the point naturally go to my opponent. I'm sure 99.99999% of players, professional or not, would and should do the same. There is no charity about that.

Just because you think your opponents would have done the same doesn't make it right for you to do it.
 
If the situation was urgent for LXR, so that she had to be seen by her own medic, then she should forfeit the match. The rule does not say she cannot see her own doctor, it says that if she does, she loses the match.
This rule is fair. Otherwise all sorts of excesses and tricks are to be feared.
 
Forestal said:
The rest of the match was just Marin, Xuerui, the judges and the coaches putting up a professional display to give the audience a satisfactory conclusion-- Xuerui obviously did NOT to be treated like a loser/quitter, and Marin showed her the respect she wanted by playing and beating her as if she was not injured.

That's why there was no objection raised by anybody when the CHN chiropractor was brought in AFTER court attendants had already applied 1st aid to Li Xuerui-- don't be some clueless amateur and think that some special allowance was given by the Umpire... he would have had to consult the tournament referees, and the reason why nobody did is because the match is already forfeited by Li Xuerui.
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Didn´t you see the protests from the umpire when the chiropractor wanted to assess Li? He was right there, stating it was not allowed, and making her just have a quick check and then leave again. I´m afraid you are the clueless one if you believe that they finished the match in theater-style to please the audience. Nobody was thinking about the audience. There was no forfeit. If Marin would have choked that second set away and if the injury was less serious, that match would have continued. Marin needed to show no mercy and finish it right there, as she did.
 
vixter said:
It´s really for the umpire to decide whether it was a double hit or whether the shutte touched the floor. That´s his job. The players are busy enough with playing world class badminton and trying to win Olympic gold. As they should, they leave umpiring decisions to the umpire. How often do you see players give charity points to each other, even in a small tournament? If it happened on the Japanese side they would have done exactly the same as the danes (take the point and say nothing).
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in table tennis it's very hard for the umpire to distinguish if the ball hit the top (point won) or side edge (point lost) of the table and it's always the players to inform the umpire where it hits.

so why can the Danish player let the umpire knows when he missed the double hits or floored shuttlecock?
 
AlanY said:
Silly me, if I double hitted or the shuttle drop onto the floor I would stop play and the point naturally go to my opponent. I'm sure 99.99999% of players, professional or not, would and should do the same. There is no charity about that.

Just because you think your opponents would have done the same doesn't make it right for you to do it.
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If you and I would do it, yes then we are honest, but we play at a different stage, don´t we? And we play without umpires, right? Feel free to believe the pro players would show this kind of courtesy to eachother, but they don´t. I dare you to find an example of it, as it´s very rare. ;)
 
AlanY said:
in table tennis it's very hard for the umpire to distinguish if the ball hit the top (point won) or side edge (point lost) of the table and it's always the players to inform the umpire where it hits.

so why can the Danish player let the umpire knows when he missed the double hits or floored shuttlecock?
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And what happens when the players disagree? One player says the ball hit the top, and the other says the ball hit the side?
 
vixter said:
If it happened on the Japanese side they would have done exactly the same as the danes (take the point and say nothing).
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Well Hong Wei quickly admitted that he double hit the shuttlecock, on the MD Bronze Match before, what's the excuse now.
Plus on the XD group match, Fischer already stopped playing cause he realized the shuttle already hit the floor before Pederssen hit it back, but since Pedersen "didn't realize" it, and play along, and the umpire didn't say anything, he also played along. LOL.
Shame.
 
vixter said:
If you and I would do it, yes then we are honest, but we play at a different stage, don´t we? And we play without umpires, right? Feel free to believe the pro players would show this kind of courtesy to eachother, but they don´t. I dare you to find an example of it, as it´s very rare. ;)
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edited : well, at least we agreed that PEDERSEN is dishonest!
 
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