yes, they do, when the issue has to do with limits, ownership, control and/or obligation... which you can say is most issues in life. if push comes to shove it's usually the final factor used to determine or quantify an outcome. in this case i'm trying to pre-empt the possibility of 'where's my momo thread' fans becoming hostile. it's nowhere near that here and i'm sure it will never get to that. i tend to be a cut-to-the-worse-case-scenario kinda guy. i've done both, which is why i connect some of the similarities: someone provides a service, someone uses the service. it is also why i tend to defend message board admins & mods far earlier than nec'y. haven't we all seen message boards devolve into complete crap over the most inane issues. you are correct, not one single user has demanded and in no way am i saying any one single person has. but what might 20 different users each asking the ?'n once, sans malice and not knowing the ?'n has been asked before, start to look or feel like from the admin's or mod's point of view? hopefully they aren't getting a ton of pm's about it either. if i were still in the hosting/admin side the young impatient 1995 version of samkool would say 'if you don't like how i run this place feel free to start your own' or i wouldn't respond at all and observe which people know how to deal with adversity vs. those that go off the rails, bwahahahahaha!