BWF WORLD TOUR FINALS 2025

Regarding Kim/Seo, I won't discuss about their technical abilities, as I don't think I'm qualified to judge that aspect.
However, there are two things I can observe that set them apart from other MD pairs.
The first is their mentality. Even under pressure, they can remain 1000% focused and consistent, especially against opponents who typically apply attacking style. Kim/Seo defends tightly like a great wall and patiently returning all the attacks they received, then looks for opportunities to counterattack or wait for their opponents to lose focus and patience and then make mistakes.
Kim is the missing puzzle Seo has needed all this time. Compared to his previous partners (Kang Min-hyuk and Choi Solgyu), Kim is relatively more stable and reliable.
This makes Seo feel more comfortable, he can focus on creating attacks, Kim is great at defending from the back and is tenacious at the net, something he didn't get from his previous partners.
The second is their ability to successfully evaluate their losses and then implement the right strategy, which is why they rarely experience consecutive losses to the same opponent.
In fact, so far, Kim/Seo haven't had an opponent who is consider as their kryptonite or antithesis.
Their playing style, which requires continuous endurance and high concentration, is the reason why they have experienced a few losses or marginal wins.
Who will be their next challenger?
I think the current top 5 MDs have all the weapons to defeat them in the conditions I described above (their physical condition is not there, or their opponent apply a new strategy that they have not anticipated) , but in the long term, perhaps the young Indonesian pair (Raymond/Indra) has the potential to become their new challenger.

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Kim is the missing puzzle Seo has needed all this time. Bro this is a joke. You give stone to SSJ and i can assure you that he will convert that stone to GOLD. When SSJ was paired with Choi/Kang/Jin Y, SSJ was consecutively making into the semis with very very rare failures. Also please remember SSJ/Kim are an older pair, they started during 2016-17 itself, before Korea tried to venture different partners. Not sure of the reason. You can see Kim/Seo pairing in Macau open 2017 and other tournaments in youtube.

I consider Jin yong to be the weakest among the pairings which SSJ has got. But even with Jin Y, he beat SatChi and made into semis, and won couple of tournaments (i think). If SSJ had continued with any of Kang or Choi he would have definitely achieved immense success, that i am sure.
 
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Kim is the missing puzzle Seo has needed all this time. Bro this is a joke. You give stone to SSJ and i can assure you that he will convert that stone to GOLD. When SSJ was paired with Choi/Kang/Jin Y, SSJ was consecutively making into the semis with very very rare failures. Also please remember SSJ/Kim are an older pair, they started during 2016-17 itself, before Korea tried to venture different partners. Not sure of the reason. You can see Kim/Seo pairing in Macau open 2017 and other tournaments in youtube.

I consider Jin yong to be the weakest among the pairings which SSJ has got. But even with Jin Y, he beat SatChi and made into semis, and won couple of tournaments (i think). If SSJ had continued with any of Kang or Choi he would have definitely achieved immense success, that i am sure.
Of course it is not a Joke, agree that Seo is the deciding factor, paired with anyone it is proven that their achievements are quite good, but still they are not a pair that is too dominant and difficult to beat by other MDs compared to when Seo is paired with Kim currently,
And the data proves that when KBF re-united him with Kim, Seo is actually able to achieve more titles in a shorter time span compared to when paired with his other partners, that's why I say Kim is like a missing puzzle piece for Seo, at least until now.

- Choi/Seo: approx 1 year, 3 titles
- Kang/Seo: approx 2.5 years, 7 titles
- Kim/Seo: approx 1 year (after being reunited), 11 titles
 
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Kim is the missing puzzle Seo has needed all this time. Bro this is a joke. You give stone to SSJ and i can assure you that he will convert that stone to GOLD. When SSJ was paired with Choi/Kang/Jin Y, SSJ was consecutively making into the semis with very very rare failures. Also please remember SSJ/Kim are an older pair, they started during 2016-17 itself, before Korea tried to venture different partners. Not sure of the reason. You can see Kim/Seo pairing in Macau open 2017 and other tournaments in youtube.

I consider Jin yong to be the weakest among the pairings which SSJ has got. But even with Jin Y, he beat SatChi and made into semis, and won couple of tournaments (i think). If SSJ had continued with any of Kang or Choi he would have definitely achieved immense success, that i am sure.
ssj is similar to lyd in the sense that he can elevate his partner as long as they’re good enough, but it’s true that kwh is a player who can match ssj’s consistency and not crumble when being targeted. in a way this is similar to lyd’s case after jjs’s retirement. he was doing pretty well with ksh and even reached the no 1 ranking, but there was a clear issue with ksh’s mentality, as he often crumbled whenever opponents targeted him and started making mistakes. this was also the case with kmh. kwh is basically another yys, except i consider him more well rounded and mentally stronger.
 
the only thing that will slow down ssj/kwh is ssj’s age. i think at most they will keep their dominance until the la og, and that’s good enough for them to be in the goat pairs conversation.

i have some thoughts about kwh/ssj, and i think only relentless pairs like cy/fhf and lyd/jjs in the last 20 years (maybe lyd/yys too) could challenge them in the long run. those pairs could play the tactical game like the current no 1 and wouldn’t just get mentally beaten like most pairs nowadays. they also have the stamina and focus to play long, grueling rallies and turn matches into dogfights. prime ahsan/setiawan would be tricky, and they were the best pair at handling lyd/yys back then, but i’m not sure it would be the same against kwh/ssj, whose playing style is more proactive than lyd/yys and whose attack is more varied, not just relying on power like the former world no 1. i haven’t even mentioned the mental aspect.
 
ssj is similar to lyd in the sense that he can elevate his partner as long as they’re good enough, but it’s true that kwh is a player who can match ssj’s consistency and not crumble when being targeted. in a way this is similar to lyd’s case after jjs’s retirement. he was doing pretty well with ksh and even reached the no 1 ranking, but there was a clear issue with ksh’s mentality, as he often crumbled whenever opponents targeted him and started making mistakes. this was also the case with kmh. kwh is basically another yys, except i consider him more well rounded and mentally stronger.

You are spot on regarding Ko and Kang. Yoo was ok, but i still think he was poor, as you rightly said, Kim is better :) :) But the first pairing of Yoo and Ko was super. Smashing demons they were during the initial years and did brilliantly. There are some insane matches against Cai/Fu
 
Of course it is not a Joke, agree that Seo is the deciding factor, paired with anyone it is proven that their achievements are quite good, but still they are not a pair that is too dominant and difficult to beat by other MDs compared to when Seo is paired with Kim currently,
And the data proves that when KBF re-united him with Kim, Seo is actually able to achieve more titles in a shorter time span compared to when paired with his other partners, that's why I say Kim is like a missing puzzle piece for Seo, at least until now.

- Choi/Seo: approx 1 year, 3 titles
- Kang/Seo: approx 2.5 years, 7 titles
- Kim/Seo: approx 1 year (after being reunited), 11 titles

Yeah ok, what i meant was that SSJ would be in the top 3-4 list with any of the partners namely :: Kang, Choi and Jin. Titles i don't know, as it depends on so many other inexplainable things.
 
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years everyone.

@Cheung . Not sure if someone has asked you before. Would you create a forum thread for year of 2026?
 
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