Celcom Axiata MALAYSIA Open 2019 : R/32 to Final (02-07 April)

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  1. Cunning Linguist

    Cunning Linguist Regular Member

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    And we now all know thanks to the teachings of the pre-eminent badminton scholar, Master L, it was because of Lee Chong Wei's mental block. Must have been a nice period for LD, with the only meaningful opponent for years being his very own Axelsen. :D
     
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  2. Justin L

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    I'm afraid I don't see that as a good analogy. First, Axelsen is no LCW. Second, VA didn't dominate the rest of the field the way LCW did when he was world ranked one most of the time ,from after Beijing'08 to about Rio'16 - he was literally bashing almost everyone else at will as and when he felt like, which happened quite often, so much so that every time LCW lost to someone other than Lin Dan, it never failed to cause a huge sensation and set the world badminton community abuzz, particularly here at Badmintoncentral.

    Third, LCW lost only a few one-sided matches to Lin Dan, roughly about half their matches were fairly convincing wins by Lin Dan, and just as many were tough, well-fought contests, of which quite a few were closely-fought resulting in narrow outcomes , most notably the London WC 2011 and the London Olympics 2012.

    Fourth, note that VA's H2H records with Kento Momota is as of now 2-11 in the latter's favour but the only two won by VA was in 2010 WJC (yes,world juniors) and the 2014 German Open ( in between, KM won the 2015 MAS Open); thereafter, VA lost the next 10 ! That's is so unlike LCW vs Lin Dan's H2H where Lin Dan never once scored more than three in a row.

    On the whole, between them, their great rivalry produce many epic battles of the highest order of magnitude in quality. Just to share with you.
     
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    Nvr ending GOAT discussions...
     
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    You should really try and work more superlatives into sentences like that. I don't think it is quite enough yet. You're sentence would sound so much more accurate if you added something like "mindblowingly epic battles of the highest order of galactic magnitude in unfathomable quality".
    Also, you could start two new threads:
    One exclusively dedicated to Lin Dan's out of this world achievements and one that just reads "Badminton was sooooo much better 10 years ago. Scientific fact!"
    This way, you could just link these two threads instead of typing it all out every five minutes. That would safe you so much time and energy. Just to share with you.
     
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    ^-^ Momota still has time to take one more gold medal in world champion tournament.

    In this case, can we talk about Momota along with Lin/Lee ???

    Lin/Lee were on "legend house" and if Momota takes 2 gold medals in world champion tournaments in future ? can he step in the legend house ???

    I don't care who is better, who is GOAT, I just want to say that Momota/Lin/Lee will be in "a group" and I hope two more gold medals in world champion tournaments in the future can help us stop arguing.

    A Momota hater say something, and then the whole topic suddenly turned to talk about Momota/Lin/Lee but not the matches today
     
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    Let's see. Assuming that everything goes by the script, HBJ will take on NO on QF. Meanwhile, RI will take on TTY. I think the former is pretty mich predictable while the latter is more exciting one. But, first, RI has to face GMT, who is now having a new coach, Rionny Mainaky.
     
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    I am actually glad that this discussion surfaced, because it has highlighted a fundamental difference between Lin Dan and Momota. And, I am not referring to 'mountains' and 'valleys' here, but to the their approach to the game.

    Momota does not, and will not prioritise. As he has mentioned in countless interviews, he will participate in any tournament that the NBA sees fit to enter him for, and he will set out to win every one of the matches in front of him, irrespective of the level of tournament. Momota intends to motor on until he drops, either from fatigue or injury, not for the sake of Japan, but in order to show his appreciation to those who have supported him over the last three years. (Incidentally, his kissing of the Japanese flag on his uniform is a gesture to his supporters in Japan.)

    I suppose that vis-à-vis his attitude to badminton, Momota is probably closer to LCW than Lin Dan. This is fitting, as LCW is the player that he reserves the most respect for. I can now see why.
     
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    Hmmm, just notice that Greysia/Apriyani will take on Lee sisters from USA. How many points that the Lee sisters can take? Will Greysia/Apriyani stretch their match longer?:D
     
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    the chances of GMT winning against RI is still pretty slim i think regardless of Rionny presence ahah...we shall see soon enough...
     
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    This world is unfair. Natural talented players are generally lazy and not as fit. LCW and Momota belong to the hardworking player. Therefore they are more consistent if they continue being hardworking. However, if talented player has motivation to win and work hard fof a particular game, they have high chance of winning but unlikely to be consistent. That is how i see LD and the 2 players.
     
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    One advantage LD did have over LCW throughout his playing career is that he had competitive teammates. From Chen Hong/Xia Xuanze/Chen Yu when he started out all the way to Chen Jin/Chen Long/Du Pengyu. Thus from my view, the pressure on LD was in most respects more balanced, compared to LCW who practically shouldered alone, especially when Wong Choon Han hung his racquet.

    You can see similarities in Chinese WD now, Chen Qingchen and Jia Yifan are under more tremendous pressure than their predecessors who played during the great old Chinese WD days, because now they are the only Chinese pair competitive enough against the armies of Japanese amazon WD squad.
     
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    Yeah, but, at least, I expect her to give her all to face RI. She should fight until the end.
     
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    Well the situations LD and LCW in were very different back then.

    The situation in CHN team before the new management was more complicated, LD at many times was (allegedly) made to withdraw from matches against his compatriot even in finals, so the others could raise their points and ranks to qualify for certain events. I supposed LD might have lost a bit of motivations in participating in non major tournaments just being a path opener for his colleagues and only eyeing the major where he was allowed to win it whomever his opponents were.

    While LCW had no one else in the team and he was still pursuing to win a medal like crazy. And I guess Momota will never have to be in that kind of situation either and he has no "LD" around that could snatch all medals from him. :)
     
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    I don't know, but to me LCW and Momota look to be BOTH talented AND hardworking, ... basically, you can't get to world rank No. 1 by hard work alone. Possibly, Chou Tien Chen or Nishimoto Kenta are more apt examples of your "hard-working" type.
     
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    can LD pass CTC today?
     
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    Let's hope that he can defeat CTC today. But, it can go both ways.
     
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    minions vs tpe should b interesting
     
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    ROUND OF 32 - PART II (01.00pm) => https://www.tournamentsoftware.com/...1EDFA6-0F3F-4B4A-833C-5C9F7400CF1B&d=20190403

    MATCH HIGHLIGHTS
    - Viktor Axelsen (DEN) v Wang Tzu Wei (TPE)
    - Lin Dan (CHN) v Chou Tien Chen (TPE)
    - Ratchanok Intanon (THA) v Gregoria M.Tunjung (INA)
    - Pusarla V.Sindhu (IND) v Aya Ohori (JPN)
    - Pornpawee Chochuwong (THA) v Saina Nehwal (IND)
    - Gideon/Sukamuljo (INA) v Lee Y/Wang CL (TPE)
    - Chow MK/Lee MY (MAS) v KItitharakul/Prajongjai (THA)
    - Puavaranukroh/Taerattanachai (THA) v Hoki/Nagahara (JPN)


    Anthony Ginting continues his unconvincing feat, found the exit door early, ousted by Japan #2 Kenta Nishimoto in thrilling match, 21-18 / 13-21 / 21-23. The Indonesian made great comeback in deciding game, 12-19 down to level the scoreline and forced deuce, unfortunately he's in hurry to kill the shuttlecock at critical point that became boomerang and leaving big disappoitment. Another seeded MS players also dig deep to through into last sixteen, Shi Yuqi involved in very tight battle, 22-20 / 21-23 then grabbed third game in comfortable way, 21-12 where the Indian asked medical treatment in 10-1 position. Shi leading most times in first and second game but loosen suddenly as Verma fought back to pressure the Chinese number one. Top-seed Kento Momota blew away opening set opportunity as Jan O Jorgensen saved four game points and nailed it, 22-20. But the World Champion was unfazed, he managed total control in next two games, 21-11 / 21-13.

    Mixed doubles category notes title contenders Watanabe/Higashino bit the dust, lost straight forward to local hopefuls Tan KM/Lai PJ, 16-21 / 15-21. Earlier of day at same court, fifth seed Astrup/Rasmussen also crashed out prematurely to Indonesian men's doubles combination Nayaka/Santoso in rubber sets, 19-21 / 26-24 / 8-21. An enthralling women's doubles tie saw Chang YN/Jung KE turned the tables over Chinese youngsters Li WM/Zheng Y, the latter had hefty margin 18-11, just three points away to secure second round spot but the more experienced Korean duo spoiled their party.
     
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    Yeah but i dont think Majors are only WC/OG. I see AE,IO, CO and AG as majors as well, it depends on how many you can win. Of course everyone wants to everything if life is perfect. We cant quantify major as only 1/2 tournament, otherwise why even bother to register?. In tennis, the GrandSlams are majors, even ATP1000 i would say is majors. and Even someone as talented as Nishikori had yet to win 1 of those despite being top 8 almost all of this decade. (at least 5/6 years)

    case for LCW is special, he will rather trade all his SS and all WC OG silvers for all his health instead of OG.
     
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    antonsen against SYQ will be interesting
     

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