China Thomas/Uber Cup Teams

Discussion in 'Thomas Cup / Uber Cup 2014' started by Woffle, May 1, 2014.

  1. Ferrerkiko

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    Mohammad Ahsan /Hendra is too good for Fu haifeng / Cai yun , Cai yun defend no longer as good as before, age is up. Should let Qiu Zihan /liu xiao long play first double.
     
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    As if to prove a point, in the CHN Thomas Cup Simulation Match, Cai Yun partnered Lu Kai and beat Liu Xiaolong/Qiu Zihan in a well-fought three-setter, 25-23,18-21 and 21-14.
     
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    Actually not surprised by that at all, LXL/QZH have been playing pretty badly. LYB should stick to CB/HW and FHF/ZN.
     
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    According to the notional points calculator, Cai/Fu would only get 50,515 points, so they would be behind Liu/Qiu, but ahead of Chai/Hong.
     
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    You are right. I misquoted LYB. For the initial registration, they thought CY/FHF ranked third on the team. Upon seeing notional ranking from BWF with CY/FHF at 2nd position, they changed the team.
     
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    Also, LYD provided the official odds for the Chinese team: 50% for the Thomas Cup and 60% for the Uber Cup.
     
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    I really think LYB has made a mistake. Against indonesia, they will certainly field Simon Santoso as #2, roll the dice and take a big won at MS2. MD1 is a safe win. and MD2 has a good chance to win. I don't think DPY or THW has a chance against santoso.
     
  9. AlanY

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    MS1 & MS3 are 2 points in the bag for China.
    MS2, if INA field SS I'll say 50/50 either ways.

    MD1, not sure what you'd in mind for the safe win.

    H2H for the potential lineup are HS/MA vs Liu/Qiu with 2-0 in favor to the Chinese. Considering the recent form of both I'll say 50/50 again.

    MD2 really much depends on the score by then and whoever handle the pressure better.
     
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    I think MS1 is not a sure point. Tommy has beaten Chen Long before. It depends on who can handle the pressure.

    MS3 is almost sure point. Even if Simon is MS3, even with his new found confidence, it is hard to imagine taking a point from Lin Dan. I am sure it will not be Tian Houwei as MS3.

    Men doubles actually are quite even. I don't think INA MD are better than CHN MD. They are equal but this is team event and whoever can handle the pressure have added advantage. Liu/Qiu play well when they are underdog but not so if they are the favourites. Maybe they won't be fielded. It seems the other 2 CHN pairs may be better.

    On the whole, INA is still the underdog, despite many who thinks they can match CHN. In fact, in QF and SF, INA may also falter because they are now expected to live up to top 2 seed, and if some players can not perform their best, some team may be able to surprise them.
     
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    If China lose to any team this Thomas Cup, actually I would blame Lin Dan. If he plays more tournament and ranked ahead of Chen Long, I think it would be even more impossible to beat China.

    At least if he is ranked below Chen Long and some other team mates, like Tian Houwei, he might be MS2 and that also would boost China chance of winning.

    As MS3, Lin Dan is a sure point but MS1 and MS2 becoming less certain.
     
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    Hmm, too late to edit my post, what I meant is this

    At least if he is ranked below Chen Long and but above some other team mates, like Tian Houwei, he might be MS2 and that also would boost China chance of winning.
     
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    well said sen, referring to post #90, basically the chance to top the 2014 TC is quite opened to several teams :)
    this year the winning odds are more evenly spread out among several top contenders, relative to past events.
     
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    There is quite a small chance that Tommy beat CL really.As for LD, he can say much what TH said for some years, and what LCW also says : the new generation has to stand up! Finally, I am surprised by the number of commentators here that have little confidence in DPY's performance. He is not a spectacular player, but have been to many semi-finals, finals, and won some. He has strechted LCW on more then one occasion.
     
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    Yes, everyone kind of feel that DPY will lose the 2nd MS point to any teams (even Nigeria :) ) DPY makes me think of Han Jian who is very tough and try to save every shot.
     
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    That is Saïd absolutely correct..Lin Dan not current ranking is the only thing which can proove to be a thorn in China's race to defend the title....but I still feel China is again going to make it...LETS GO CHINA LETS GO!!...!!..
     
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    Yup, LD should once again playing as MS1 due to his invincibility but CHN needs regeneration, too bad their new generation like Du PY & Wang ZM are far away standard as expected.
     
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    not really far behind , just beatable ;p I think simon against dpy will be 50 : 50 if simon were to beat dpy has to be a straight set. I doubt simon will b able to beat him in rubber, although he did in sg open :X btw beside Indonesia, no other countries can challenge china ...
     
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    That is true, but Japan is not so far off. There three men singles are good, and the doubles are consistent.
     

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