Gideon Marcus Fernaldi / Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo

wade said:
Yes please :D honestly I don't really care about anything other than BWC next year, hopefully they could deliver :D
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You should. :) They need to qualify for the Olympics first before anything. And anyway, playing more in the beginning of the year means playing less during SC or WC so they should have more time to prepare for the big ones. Hopefully Marcus is not going to take paternity leave this year like he had for his wedding last year.:D
 
yuquall said:
You should. :) They need to qualify for the Olympics first before anything. And anyway, playing more in the beginning of the year means playing less during SC or WC so they should have more time to prepare for the big ones. Hopefully Marcus is not going to take paternity leave this year like he had for his wedding last year.:D
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How I forgot this lol :D yeah let's just hope they're not losing momentum after some break like this year.
 
yuquall said:
You should. :) They need to qualify for the Olympics first before anything. And anyway, playing more in the beginning of the year means playing less during SC or WC so they should have more time to prepare for the big ones. Hopefully Marcus is not going to take paternity leave this year like he had for his wedding last year.:D
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Oh right... completely forgot that:p would be detrimental if he chooses to take leaves
 
LenaicM said:
Hmm hopefully that will get Kevin SS to review a little bit is behaviour on court. Definitely far from the mafia hehe but c’mon the younger generation is watching and when your country name you athlete of the year it’s something to carry carefully, that is representing your nation worldwide.

Either way props to the minions for this amazing year. Such a delight to watch them play (when they don’t fool around like they do in this thug life video it is).
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Off court they are humble and nice tho (many corporate contracts using them as their face for public relations speaks volume of their highly selling image ), on court maybe just for psy war with opponents. :D




They just recently signed as brand ambassador for one of the biggest government owned bank in Indonesia, Bank Mandiri. :)
 
Master said:
Correct! They skipped Malaysia Master this year.


PBSI surely would give selective tournaments for their elite players & pairs. But still, the top pair have minimum amount of tournament as per BWF rules stated.
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just pay the money, it is nothing for them or pbsi anyway........
 
minions said:
Indonesian peoples should know how to comment wisely. But, sadly, most of them only see and hear what's coming to them and quickly make judgement. Marcus had a bad luck in the past few years. But, with his persistence and hard working attitude, he finally found his place. That's why PBSI wanted to call him back and paired him with Kevin. The rest is history.

For all of Indonesian peoples, THINK before making the judgement. Don't just react wildly. Instead of making negative comment, try to think positively. Negative comments from them are one of the factor that make Indonesian athletes' mentality down. Oh, yeah, there is one thing that is important. DO NOT write any Indonesian athletes off. We already know about Marcus' story as stated above. Heck, even Kevin was once unwanted by the coaches back when he is a child. The link is here. Last year, Fajar/Rian were criticized left and right, had been labeled as mediocre pairs. But, look at them now, they can seriously challenge the top pairs here and there, including minions themselves.
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Now, now :)

Marcus had bad luck in the past few years? I don't think so. Quitting the team probably was the best decision he had ever made. Ever since he quit the team, Markis Kido took Marcus under his wing and together they had risen up as high as top 8. Then the team asked him back, paired him with Kevin 3 years ago.

Kevin wasn't unwanted. He just didn't have the potential to be a successful single player no matter how much he wanted it and he knew it himself. If he was really unwanted by the coaches, they would have kicked him out of the club instead of giving him another chance to prove himself in the double discipline. He proved them right.

There is no way you can stop people from commenting or how they think unless maybe if you point a gun at their head :p:p. Let's just hope the athletes could turn all the criticisms and negative comments into a motivation and something to reflect.
It's tough to be athletes these days, not only they have to face the pressure from the opponents or winning the tournaments but they have to deal with the media and public too. People tend to conveniently forget that even top athletes (or famous people) are basically just ordinary humans like the rest before being exposed (willingly or unwillingly) by the media.
 
yuquall said:
Now, now :)

Marcus had bad luck in the past few years? I don't think so. Quitting the team probably was the best decision he had ever made. Ever since he quit the team, Markis Kido took Marcus under his wing and together they had risen up as high as top 8. Then the team asked him back, paired him with Kevin 3 years ago.

Kevin wasn't unwanted. He just didn't have the potential to be a successful single player no matter how much he wanted it and he knew it himself. If he was really unwanted by the coaches, they would have kicked him out of the club instead of giving him another chance to prove himself in the double discipline. He proved them right.

There is no way you can stop people from commenting or how they think unless maybe if you point a gun at their head :p:p. Let's just hope the athletes could turn all the criticisms and negative comments into a motivation and something to reflect.
It's tough to be athletes these days, not only they have to face the pressure from the opponents or winning the tournaments but they have to deal with the media and public too. People tend to conveniently forget that even top athletes (or famous people) are basically just ordinary humans like the rest before being exposed (willingly or unwillingly) by the media.
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I know that quitting from the national team was the best decision from Marcus. But, before that, he didn't get to prove himself. He was basically "left out" before that.

Regarding Kevin, I don't think you read about the link I provided. Well, it doesn't matter. But, do you know that Kevin was ANGRY when he was transferred to double discipline when he was a child. The coach, Herry IP, said that. I forget where I found the source.

Yeah, it's tough to be athlete. They have to face tons of criticism if their result or action doesn't meet people's expectation. Jonatan is great at this. He screenshots all of the criticism and negative comments in order to motivate him.
 
Yeah its much tougher these days to perform than say 20/10 years ago. Probably because of Media and Lifestyle , its just an added pressure but what they get is fame and much more $ taking into relative inflation as well.

Corporates just want them to be or stay at WR1. Their job is just as athlete not businessmen, its not going to be forever so they gotta make as much as possible and win as many title when they are at the top.

I hope Gideon doesnt have neck pain from last year happen at GZ again. I think its something to do with sleeping position?
 
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"The preparation is more or less the same, for Kevin is about maintaining the conditions, maintain his hand muscles, don't let the injury recur, while Marcus focuses on improving the quality of the defense. if we look at it, especially against Chinese players, Marcus is most often being targeted by the opponents," said Herry IP, the head coach of MD.

"We have already evaluated this, until this morning the progress has been seen, there have been many improvements in terms of defense".
 
minions said:
I know that quitting from the national team was the best decision from Marcus. But, before that, he didn't get to prove himself. He was basically "left out" before that.

Regarding Kevin, I don't think you read about the link I provided. Well, it doesn't matter. But, do you know that Kevin was ANGRY when he was transferred to double discipline when he was a child. The coach, Herry IP, said that. I forget where I found the source.

Yeah, it's tough to be athlete. They have to face tons of criticism if their result or action doesn't meet people's expectation. Jonatan is great at this. He screenshots all of the criticism and negative comments in order to motivate him.
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Yeah.. but both are Kevin and Marcus' personal point of view. But in professional world, personal stuff don't matter. You can't let your personal feelings or pride hinder your growth. You can be angry, disappointed, felt mistreated and all but, to be honest, who really cared?

Marcus and Kevin, before being no.1 in the world, both were merely two out of hundreds or probably thousands of players in Indonesia. These aren't like social clubs or teams. Coaches in clubs or national team aren't your personal coaches that you pay to take care of you or to cater your wish. If the players were not happy with the coach decision, they were always welcome to quit, no one would have stopped them and they would be replaced straight away. No hard feelings. Things go on.

If anything, both should be grateful with the opportunities presented to them and of what they have achieved. Now they are no longer replaceable. The team would definitely beg them to stay :D:D
 
minions said:
I know that quitting from the national team was the best decision from Marcus. But, before that, he didn't get to prove himself. He was basically "left out" before that.

Regarding Kevin, I don't think you read about the link I provided. Well, it doesn't matter. But, do you know that Kevin was ANGRY when he was transferred to double discipline when he was a child. The coach, Herry IP, said that. I forget where I found the source.

Yeah, it's tough to be athlete. They have to face tons of criticism if their result or action doesn't meet people's expectation. Jonatan is great at this. He screenshots all of the criticism and negative comments in order to motivate him.
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Well, he might have been angry, but it was doubtlessly right, don't you agree? He is way too short for really successful singles imop, under that threshold where you constantly need one more step compared to more suited players like LD/LCW...also his reaction time and drives shine even more in doubles
 
Yoji said:
Yeah its much tougher these days to perform than say 20/10 years ago. Probably because of Media and Lifestyle , its just an added pressure but what they get is fame and much more $ taking into relative inflation as well.

Corporates just want them to be or stay at WR1. Their job is just as athlete not businessmen, its not going to be forever so they gotta make as much as possible and win as many title when they are at the top.

I hope Gideon doesnt have neck pain from last year happen at GZ again. I think its something to do with sleeping position?
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The main factor making it harder to compete are the higher number of competitors and the improved training. Still could be improved though, imop, if you compare it to top sports like (American) football for example
 
j4ckie said:
The main factor making it harder to compete are the higher number of competitors and the improved training. Still could be improved though, imop, if you compare it to top sports like (American) football for example
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Yeah luckily these days especially MD is more about skills and mentality on the court which can hardly be trained. If you look back at the past where the points played till 15 back and forth serve ( match can technically be endless), i think there needs a lot of physical stamina. Maybe at that time, not that many tournaments like now but imagine playing back with those systems 5 matches a week up to 10 for 2 weeks. System like this many are already injured, i wonder what will happen with that system.
 
j4ckie said:
Well, he might have been angry, but it was doubtlessly right, don't you agree? He is way too short for really successful singles imop, under that threshold where you constantly need one more step compared to more suited players like LD/LCW...also his reaction time and drives shine even more in doubles
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Umm, his height is the same as Ginting (170 cm) if I am not mistaken. But, I agree that his skill sets are more suited in doubles.
 
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