Goh V Shem/Tan Wee Kiong

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  1. Ferrerkiko

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    They lost again in last night final against the Indo Youngsters.
     
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    as long as the person called Christian Hadinata as INA double coach today, the INA doubles forever strong and capable to win any championship including world championship and Olympic Gold Medal. He already produced many strong pair long ago till today such as Rudy Gunawan/Eddy Hartono, Ricky Subajha/Rexy Mainaky, Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya, Sigit Budiarto/Halim Hariyanto, Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan, Mohd Ahsan/Hendra Setiawan, Markus/Kevin etc...
     
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    Christian is no longer in PBSI for quite sometime now. He is still in Djarum.


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    Djarum IS PBSI...
     
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    2 consecutive final.. not bad for a comeback..only need to improve on mental aspect and tenacity.
    maybe Olympic nervousness come in mind again in 2nd set. :D
     
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    GVS was playing with no urgency. I knew once they lost the 2nd set, they wouldn’t have the care to win because both of them were not committed to be accountable to each other.


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    Skill wise, Goh/Tan is in the same level as world's best, same as Koo/Tan but what is different is Urgency-and-Want-to-Win level.
    Other countries pair, when they have the chance, they would finish them up quickly. MAS pair is different;
    when they have chance to win, they will let the pedal off and casually play off-focus.
     
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    Did you meant Herry Ip?
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    Djarum is NOT PBSI, it's 1 of the best badminton clubs in Indo n it was founded n sponsored by Djarum Cigarettes company in Central Java. This club has produced mny legends, Liem Swie King was frm there. https://www.pbdjarum.org//

    Ahsan n Kevin r also from Djarum club
     
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    For the Malaysian fans, how do you watch Goh and not pull out your hair?
    Case in point:

    Partner Tan is serving, and Goh looks like he is playing a recreational game. Knees hardly bent, eyes lacking true focus...Zhang Nan or LYD would never have let that bird drop. The all time best in such a situation was Kim Dong Moon:

    Low and lazer-sharp focus when his partner is serving, ready to pounce be it offensively or defensively.

    Anyway, my point is that Goh is clearly such a talented player that often looks lazy, à la KKK. And that I find difficult to watch.
     
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    When I watch Goh/Tan and Koo/Tan. I feel like my heart is dying a little.
    So close for the win, but they just couldn't focus. They let the pedal off and play like a game.
    Then, as expected by thousands of MAS fans, they lost easily.
     
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    the problem is there is no any MAS MD players as strong as legend Park Joo Bong/Kim Moon Soo, Kim Dong Moon/Ha Tae Kwon, Candra Wijaya/Tony Gunawan, Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun, Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae etc...
     
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    Cheah/Yap is strong, Koo/Tan is strong, Chan/Chew is strong but they have a weak mental game. That is all.
    China only has Cai/Fu in a specific era. I don't get how you are praising others too much. Cheah/Yap is strong, just losing OLY gold and WC gold due to weak mental.
     
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    Koo/Tan won the Asian Game when they have only been paired recently before.
    The only problem is their lack of fighting spirit and weak mental game, not to mention playing casually.
    Remember All-England 2007? Compare them with All-England 2011. They are playing not to lose only.
    Even if Rexy or who else is there, it doesn't change anything because their mentality is already ingrained.
    The player themselves must change.
     
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    The issue mostly with MAS player is Mental. No denying!
     
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    Indonesian players hv similar problem, mentally not strong n inability to analyse+change strategy when pressurized. Also tend to loosen up when winning by a sizeable margin:(.
    Except Minions + Ahmad/Natsir
     
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    Yes, there is no data that support the statement our player is weak and inferior to others.
    Mental, no other than that.
     
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    Minions were too relaxed in Qtr final ended up needing 3 set to defeat the lame CHN Taipei pair.
     
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    Yes. Couldn't agree more.

    I was previously a little disappointed with Tan as I felt he wasn't doing enough at the net to exploit his partner's excellent smash. But I feel that Tan has developed his forecourt ability now. Playing a more LYD-esque mature and patient game, not going for winners or attacking the net all the time and generally doing a good job at the net. But the same couldn't be said about GVS. He seemed less focused and didn't seem to have the same desire to win. As you mentioned, in defense he was almost standing up straight, making many unforced errors.

    You mentioned that KKK was lazy at times but for me it looks more arrogant than lazy, it seems like a trait amongst some of the Malaysian team too, including TBH and even the great LCW has been at times been seen getting complacent and appearing arrogant - like his recent loss against Kenta Nishimoto.
     
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    finally some one said it. they are obviously not on good terms with one another.
     

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