He BingJiao (何冰娇）

Saying there is no comparison between HBJ and AY, one who has no commendable results to speak of to the other who is already a SS winner, a star in-the-making, IS NOT the same as saying 'you are not allowed to make comparisons'.

Of course, logically speaking, it follows that if HBJ beats AY, that's something but not the other way round.

Please don't get my meaning wrong,clearly I've been misunderstood. Whatever, end of conversation between us.
 
dominikk1985 said:
aren't the chinese players generally stay longer in the country and go international later? often young chinese players are not even in front of the junior ranking because they play national competition for quite long (at least I know it is like that in table tennis). that works in china because the national competition is already world class, so the lack of international competition doesn't hurt them. Maybe one reason is even to make sure other players cannot figure the young guys out too early. chinese sport doesn't care about SS tournaments, world rankings or junior rankings but mostly about gold medals (especially olympic medals).
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No doubt china national games are of the highest Standrad, they have done and still doing very good foundation works but playing with players from others country will help develop their strategy better.

Different countries has different style of play and it helps youngster to understand more once they experienced it.
 
well in the past that style has worked for china as they won pretty much all olympic gold medals. I think it can only work in such a huge badminton country and not in smaller countries.
 
Wang Lin was the last Chinese prodigy. She was more precocious than He Bingjiao. Her first senior tournament was at 15 and she won the china masters at 16 (beating xxf and zn, if I recall correctly). Look what happened to her.

Slow and steady wins the race. Eg Mia Audina vs Zhang Ning.

I have yet to see a great young talent (who started at 14/15/16) succeeding with longevity in badminton in the last 25 years.
 
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djake said:
Wang Lin was the last Chinese prodigy. She was more precocious than He Bingjiao. Her first senior tournament was at 15 and she won the china masters at 16 (beating xxf and zn, if I recall correctly). Look what happened to her.

Slow and steady wins the race. Eg Mia Audina vs Zhang Ning.

I have yet to see a great young talent (who started at 14/15/16) succeeding with longevity in badminton in the last 25 years.
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Lin dan, taufik and Peter gade all are prodigies...

Taufik virtually retire after 2006

Gade played till 35 years old

Lin dan still going strong
 
SibugiChai said:
Lin dan, taufik and Peter gade all are prodigies...

Taufik virtually retire after 2006

Gade played till 35 years old

Lin dan still going strong
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Taufik may be a good example. He shot into prominence at 17 in the all England then, but his form sort of peters out at 25/26

Lin Dan / Gade came out at 17/18 and they hadnt taken the world by storm then.

I'm actually referring to the 14/15/16 yos
 
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djake said:
Taufik may be a good example. He shot into prominence at 17 in the all England then, but his form sort of peters out at 25/26

Lin Dan / Gade came out at 17/18 and they hadnt taken the world by storm then.
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Depends on what u define by take the world by storm.

Gade and Lin did won their first title during their teens.

Taufik although dropped in performance in later stage of his career, he still a top10 player in the world for long period of time.

I think the closest comparison should be Mia audina, she starts playing for Indonesia at age of 15 and take the world by storm when she defeat Zhang ning to help Indonesia win the uber cup.

She went out to win medals in the olympic...
 
djake said:
Wang Lin was the last Chinese prodigy. She was more precocious than He Bingjiao. Her first senior tournament was at 15 and she won the china masters at 16 (beating xxf and zn, if I recall correctly). Look what happened to her.

Slow and steady wins the race. Eg Mia Audina vs Zhang Ning.

I have yet to see a great young talent (who started at 14/15/16) succeeding with longevity in badminton in the last 25 years.
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yes,what ur concern is very true.
lee yong dae was one of the example of child prodigy too,but he still going strong now,25 years old.
he won his 1st title in 2004(ajc md),9 years ago,16 years old.
1st senior tournament was 2005.
hopefully he prove to us that he still have many years to compete in world top class:D
 
limsy said:
so,u are police in bc which doesnt let others to compare akane with he bing jiao?:rolleyes:
funny~~~:D
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let see who will be the winner in wjc ws 2013
akane,aya ohari,busanan and he bing jiao should be contender for the title.
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all the name i quote reach semi final and japan secured the wjc ws title.:)
he bing jiao have 2 more years.
 
A 16 yo He Bingjiao lost to Aya Ohori in the WJC SF today.

Meanwhile, another 16 yo Akane Yamaguchi reaches the WJC Final, having won her first SS title 1.5 months ago.

So, who's the child prodigy now?
 
The success of young players from Thailand and Japan is welcome and should be celebrated. However, it's beyond me to understand why some people are more enthusiastic in putting down a 16-year who just started her international competition.

Sport is where people channel positive energy, not negative vibe.
 
Fully agree with Redshuttle, well said.

What a child prodigy is, I've humbly explained elsewhere. It's not the same as asking who a world champion is or was; for example, Chen Jin was world champion in 2010 but Lee CW never despite being much the better player.

My understanding is all these youngsters mentioned are child prodigies, including 13-yr-old Goh Jin Wei, 16-yr-old Jonatan Christie, etc, it is just that one is better than the other for now. At the moment I'm most impressed with 16-yr-old Akane Yamaguchi, not only has she won a SS title, the JPN Open SS'13, she has also just beaten a much more experienced and higher ranked child prodigy, Busanan Ongbumrungpan, at the semifinal of the ongoing WJC'13. I won't be surprised Akane goes on to win the title tomorrow. At the rate she is going,who knows she may even outstrip Intanon R in time to come.

As for He Bingjiao, I venture to say she will be a worldbeater one day, hopefully the sooner the better, what with all the best resources and many illustrious seniors as role models that CHN can provide.

But juniors being juniors, they are still growing up, at their formative age, lacking sufficient experience, naturally wanting in maturity - how far they can go, who will surpass who and achieve what, only the future can tell. I feel it is still premature to judge them yet.
 
One thing for determining someone is a child prodigy or not: raise the bar high.
Otherwise, a title that makes people go "WHOA!" will become cheap.
 
The problem is the term 'child prodigy' is not a title but a subjective description. Are we going to redefine it? Besides, who is going to be the arbiter and based on what objective criteria? What for? Don't we already have the WJC, so why bother to split hairs?:)
 
WJC? Ok, here's another thing that crossed my mind just now: What is so special about TEENAGERS who win a tournament aimed toward TEENAGERS?
 
Jagdpanther said:
WJC? Ok, here's another thing that crossed my mind just now: What is so special about TEENAGERS who win a tournament aimed toward TEENAGERS?
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for me,child prodigy should be those teenager who able to compete and win tournament against senior.
such as taufik,mia audina,lee yong dae,wang lin,ratchanok,tai tzuying,akane yamaguchi.
player like victor axelson/zulfadli only able to perform well in junior stage but not yet good in senior stage.
 
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