Hi Fi lovers............

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  1. kwun

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    kinda, kinda not. but honestly, i don't know if such claims are really true or not. when SS amps runs out of juice, the resulting distortion is quite audible, it (the clipping) will sound like a badly tuned radio. while for tube amps, when it runs out of juice, the distortion sounds less "ugly". none-the-less, trained ears can hear when a tube does run out of juice.

    so in reality, they both run out, but tube does in a more graceful manner, giving the false impression that it is more powerful.

    there might be other factors too. most SS amps are those little class B amps with an inadequate power supply reservoir which drains more quickly when there is a long duration of loud passages. while most tube amps have a more generous store in their power supply and can sustain loud passages longer. i stress the word "most". the top quality SS amps have very very adequate power supply, while the poor quality tube amps don't. but overall, it may give the impression that tubes are more powerful.
     
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    100W will always be greater than 6W, it's the law of conservation of energy. If 6w sounded more powerful, then that 6W amp was rated incorrectly or not rated the same way as SS amp. Underrating or overrating isn't a way to prove how good a product.

    If a tube amp can't even kick start a pair of apogee, then this is a real life example how tube amps are generally low in power(on a comparable scale of price and weight). Also why tube cant play rocks, bass heavy classical, etc very well because its lack the power. A good SS amp can run peak current 60 tp 130 amperage and within distortion specs. Power is rated by Watt and mother nature doesnt discriminate whether it came from a tube or ss amp.

    Kwun is correct saying tube distortion at overloaded condition sounds more pleasant. However, this statement is true for the(tube) entire audio spectrum as well because the unique sound of tube is DUE TO their inherent harmonic distortion. SS's aim to have extreme low THD and TIM. Tube lovers aim to find the amp and or tubes that can give the most pleasant distorted sound under a narrow application limit, mostly vocals and jazz.
     
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    HK$6,000? or do you mean HK$60,000 ? the HK$6,000 JM Labs are mediocore at best. the HK$60,000 ones on the other hand, are of a completely different league... ;)
     
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    consider your small room a blessing. if you have a big room, it means you need much bigger speakers, which also means you need much larger amps. then you are talking about a lot more $$ spent.
     
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    Here are my list:

    1) B.B.King - Blues On the Bayou
    2) 陳果 - 有空來坐坐
    3) Ray Charles - Genius Loves Company
     
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    It is difficult to pick three; I like most of them ;-) and the list is long.
     
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    Maybe that's why make Hi-Fi interesting. You never know the results until you have the components setup and listen to them.

    Actually those $6,000/pair JM Labs was left in a corner of the shop as nobody wanted them, not even for home theater at that time. But who would have thought that it would sound that good with the Jadis integrated amplifier when playing vocals and some light jazz. The guy tried to setup again the same speakers with a more powerful tube amps, made in Hong Kong but the sound wasn't good. :confused:

    Red:
    It's hard to name the 3 records I like the most, as there are many that I like. Here are the ones that come out of top of my head:
    - Chris Barber - Who's Blues from Bell recording;
    - Phil Woods - Real Life;
    - Choi Gum - Lou Go (Old Songs).
     
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    hehe.... :D it's a "must have" item for asian audiophile! ;)
     
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    i know it's difficult mark! ;) just try haha! :D
     
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    did any HK members here went to see the 2005 HK AV show (august 2005) :confused:
     
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    what do u wanna know cooler? i'd been there for taking a few shots of the event! :p
     
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    learn of any new gears? i think quad has a new ESL speakers.
     
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    nah.....just went there on assignment. indeed, i didn't go through every booth and room. just picked a few famous brands then take a few shots of their most expensive gear. so i have no idea about the new quad's ESL speakers. :p
    for me. the most interesting gear was a 3ft tower like vinyl player with kinda advanced stablizier or something.....i didn't know. all i know was the price. it worth around $400k hkd! :eek: couldn't remember what that brand was. :p
     
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    does it look like this?
     

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    YES......S, JUST LIKE THAT!!!
     
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    Source : Arcam Alpha 8 as a transport, CAL tubed DAC
    Amp : Rogue Audio Tempest magnum Tube integrated
    Speakers : JM Lab Spectral 913.1

    Cables/Interconnects : I don't care, they all sound the same
     
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    I don't think it is a good outlook. :p

    I have a classmate who is working in a Taiwanese Company and this company already bought Quad in previous years. I always ask him to check is there any samples will be released at cost price or the chance of his company to employ new staff. But.............. no result until now. :(
     
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    But Changing Power Cord, RCA Cables, Speaker Cables also provide a lot of funs for me.

    What do you like to listen??
     

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