HSBC-BWF WORLD Tour Finals 2020 : Group Stage-Final (27-31 January 2021)

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  1. abedeng

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    Yes he is ..... both he and Melati need to get rid of those excess weight. Koreans were 2 speeds ahead.
     
  2. Hassefar60

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    You are quoting and responding to a post that literally says "I don’t think she purposefully lost".
    No one in here has expressed that he/she thinks anyone lost on purpose.
     
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    Dude, I have eyes and a memory. You only really get into these things when an Indian player is involved. While you never mention it explicitly, knowing some of your comment history, I doubt you would have gotten so irrational and angry if there hadn't been an Indian player involved. If you don't even care that it was Sindhu, all the better, then you should be able to understand the point Hassefar and I have been making. Weird how you had to let off a derogatory comment about Pornapowee and talk about players' "calibre" and "stature" before acknowledging that maybe the system is flawed and Hassefar might have been right. Past achievements don't count when you step on the court, and you talk about an upcoming player who has shown great potential as if it was ludicrous to think she could beat PVS who has looked very far removed from her WC winning form. Again, point me to where you've been so defensively aggressive on behalf of non-Indian players and we'll see what the ratio is....I'm not holding my breath.


    I don't care about nationality, and I don't care who the players in a matchup like this are - I just dislike systems that produce a match where anyone has an incentive to lose.
    The problem with that is that even if a player doesn't actually throw the match, knowing that a loss might benefit you can have a subconscious influence. It's also a bit unfair to ask a player to give their best when not doing so might be better for them - you're putting the organisation's (in this case the BWF's) responsibility on the player. While I don't think anyone enjoyed seeing the WD matches at the 2012 Olympic Games, the system had obvious flaws from the get-go and I don't actually blame the players for how the matches unfolded, they were put in an impossible situation.

    Nobody is actually making accusations against any player, nor was anyone implying PVS couldn't have won this match on her own. We're simply annoyed that 9 years after the embarrassment that was the 2012 Olympic Games (at least the WD competition) we're still having issues like this because somebody at the BWF has a hard-on for round-robin group formats that are just notorious for producing bad tournament results and undesirable constellations. Get rid of them. If there is an absolute need for a group format (for whatever reason), they should consider something like Swiss system with reseeding between rounds. It's a much more solid format. 4-player groups are still stupid though.
     
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  4. Satoshi

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    not entirely true, apparently the tiebreaker for having the same number of wins is the result between the players. So as chochuwong has beaten both tty and intanon, regardless which of the latter have won, chochuwong would’ve still finish as the group champion, even if she were to lose to pv sindhu and that is exactly happened. Chochuwong finished as the group champion and tty finishing as the runner up.
     
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  5. Satoshi

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    On another note, not a fan of the system either as ASY’s ‘hard fought win’ against Marin (assuming Marin played to her best, did not watch the match) has a 50/50 chance to be greeted with a rematch the very next day would have made her win today rather pointless.

    watched praveen/melati. Not sure if praveen is injured or just tired, but the INA pair didn’t really seem interested to be playing at all even though a ticket to semi final is at stake, which is a shame because I do enjoy watching praveen when he is at his best.
     
  6. terrynguyen121988

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    can Thom/Delphine win this tournament.

    Let bet 10 dollars, and you will take a lot of money back ^-^
     
  7. Martynas

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    no chance
     
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    Are you sure about this? I have not been able to find the tie breakers in the regulations, so if you have a source, I would be interested.

    Oftentimes (generally speaking), in case of a tie, it is the games won/lost difference that is the tie breaker. Chochuwong wins that with a 4-3 vs TTY's 4-4, so this would give the same final ranking in this particular case. And after that the point difference can break further ties. This can also break three player ties.
     
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    I'll bet on seo / chae
     
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    Close to what I posted a few hours ago. The games today were a shame at times and it wasn't worth watching at least. So no advertising for Badminton. So what to do ? Does it have to be groupstage with four players? I'll bring up the group system of beach volleyball at the Olympic Games again. Start the WTF a day earlier, it's time for it! Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday the group games. After the group matches, the group leader is set for the semi-finals on Saturday. He has a day off, which he has earned by winning the group !! On Friday, the runners-up play the last two semi-finalists against the third placed in the group. Five disciplines = 10 games. Advantage: You will be group winner and also give anything to get the day free! Advantage: Even if players lost their first games they can reach with a win in the last groupmatch the playoff for the semifinal.
     
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    What are you blabbering in a page long comment.

    I replied to a baseless post and he replied to my comment. And you interfered into it and brought Nationality into it And then blaming me. For What?

    Is these long long posts even necessary?.

    Lol.
     
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    Looks like its LeeWang blessing these 3 weeks

    Only fair that Marin wins 3 titles after getting injured most of 2019.
     
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    If Choi serves like today, AhsanHendra have chances. I think Choi gifted at least 15 points from his serve (faults, errors, loose serves) against IvanovSozonov - First 3 shots. Its much worst than Hendra already errorfull serves.. you can say hendra will make about 4-7 service erros per match.

    I hope umpire can target him he is delaying too long i wonder that makes him nervous himself or just seeing russian giants make him nervous?
     
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    Did you recently learn the phrase 'I rest my case' or why are you using it so frequently, regardless of whether it fits or not? :D
    You keep stating that I brought nationality into it, when I simply inferred that it's your motivation for this needless aggression towards others. As I said several times already, I could hardly care less about player nationality.

    The post you replied to wasn't baseless. An actual accusation against a player would have been, but nobody made any. You keep acting like people outright stated the match was thrown - apparently the concept of conflict of interest is too subtle for you. I tried explaining the issue to you, but it seems your reading comprehension or overall analytical ability wasn't up to the task. While you're free to further embarrass yourself, I don't see how a continuation of this discussion could yield any productive or entertaining result so I won't reply.

    Or to put it in words you (kind of) understand:
    Lol. I rest my case.
     
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    Another blaming post. Nothing else.. Useless !
     
  16. j4ckie

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    I agree that that system is better than the current one. Another one I'd prefer over the current state would be one large swiss system group with seeding - all 8 players are in the group and play their first match like in any standard K.O. stage (so #1 vs #8 etc). Afterwards, players with the same score will play each other, with all groups of same-score players being reseeded (i.e. if #8 were to beat #1, they don't take over the #1 seed for the next round, but get seeded against the strongest player again).
    Reseeding would make any upsets earned (no one gets an 'easy' path for 'only' one win), but a randomization could also work (not a fan of those though).
    You could either do 3 matches and semis with this format (2-1 and 3-0 players qualify), or 2 or 4 matches and 2 quarters with 6 players advancing. I prefer 6 players advancing and quarters afterwards, with a day's rest for the two top seeds, but if you have to adhere to the BWF's standard Tuesday-to-Sunday format you couldn't do 4 matches. Alternatively, you could open this up to more than 8 players/pairs, 12 for example, and do 3 matches in a Swiss group and have 6 advance.
     
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    The reason that Viktor won consecutively was he's eaten many chicken breasts in 7 days quarantine. Great fitness.
    viktor gà.jpg
     
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    Here you go, somebody said 'only way to avoid Marin is to lose against PVS'
    But the fact is She is going to play Marin in the semifinals.
    Lol
    I hope the guy who spoke about that statement take it back as it is derogatory to both Sindhu and Pornpowee( who tried her best but could not win).

    Unbelievable people.
     
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    Bah. Thanks for posting that collage....if that's actually based on his real diet (i.e. if he actually eats massive amounts of meat) I have some concerns about his long-term health (and his nutrionist :D)...would also set quite a negative example
     
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    Based on this, group result takes precedence, followed by game difference (if only it is a 3 way tie)
     

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