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Indonesia SS 2008: Day 6 (22 June -- FINALS)

Discussion in 'Indonesia Open / Thailand Open 2008' started by badMania, Jun 21, 2008.

  1. taufik-ist

    taufik-ist Regular Member

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    we, ina people have been fed up with 'unpleasant' news about what malaysia have done to indonesia lately, for example the news about malaysia has builit helipad 7 metres closer to the ina's border 'secretly'...

    i'm sorry if ina supporter had booed mas players.. we didnt mean that... they just expressed their feeling
     
  2. pjswift

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    Simon for OG08

    I don't quite see Simon having a 'mental collapse' problem.It's more a reflection of physical stamina. That's Simon's 10th match vs Sony's 5th in 2 weeks.
    In Simon's ABC loss to CJ, Simon won a gruelling match against a compatriot the day before whilst CJ was very fresh(gifted further with a non-CHN walkover).If mental reasoning holds, then CJ suffered a mental collapse in his ABC loss to PSH.PSH toughed out 2 consecutive 3G matches over BP and Sony, in both cases coming back from the brink;CJ had a practice SF match with LD.
    In his SO loss to LCW, Simon's not the exception. All LCW's opponents were drained out in their final games.Simon got the worst score because LCW saw him as 'dangerous'(read it as a compliment) and never let go until he has notched up adequate 'insurance'(at 15-0) and maybe dinner time played a part!
    In fact I was quite impressed with Simon.In spite of his embarrassing loss to LCW, he managed to bounce back to reach his second consecutive SS final.He must have told himself after his match with LCW that henceforth,every match can only get easier. And he was right.That's excellent mental attitude!
    Simon looks a good substitute for TH in OG08.How far can TH go , with his lack of match fitness and competitive exposure?Skills alone may get him past first round.And if TH can only get past first round, might as well send Simon to OG08 to build up experience for 0G12?
     
  3. abedeng

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    Don't quite agree with u there, PJ.

    In the semifinals too, Simon had problems finishing off the game. In game 1, he was leading something like 19-11, Tago came back until 16 before he could finish it off. And again, in the 3rd, he held matchpt at 20-13 or 20-14, Tago caught up until 18-20.

    In that last rally, Simon was at Tago's mercy and already fell down trying to save the shuttle. Tago was probably surprised by that, he muffed an easy putaway. Otherwise it would have been 19-20 and who knows what might have happened next.

    This is just one aspect of the game that Simon needs to work on. LCW once had that problem too.

    All things considered, I still think Simon is the fittest among the 3 top INA MS players.
     
  4. Erwin Kyoto

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    and also...I think it better Bcers dont start to post or asking here (in BC forum) why the senayan crowd booed MAS players...look at previous posts in this thread (or other threads)...because of some Bcers asking about that, so INA Bcers just try to explain or answer the cause of that...surely, in personally we dont have any problems with MAS caused by the facts...we just enjoy badminton and keep harmony in this BC... :rolleyes:;):p
     
  5. Krisna

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    I was an INA-fan in the 1980s... at that time, specators were allowed to smoke during the match and there were no air-condition... Water-bottles could be thrown into the court after a foreign opponent scored a crucial point... :p At that time, it was followed by cheers!

    The last time I saw water throwing was in 2004... the Istora crowd immediately shouted "kampunan, kampungan, kampungan..." [provincial, provincial, provincial / no class, no class, no class]... The authorities looked for the trouble-maker and escorted the guy out. ;)
     
  6. ardhitya.y

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    the condition that you describe above also happened in the last Thomas and Uber.

    When sony lost from Park sung Hwan....


    Hwan had been thrown by Ina spectators with a bunsh of fried banana....

    The other spectators immediately shouted the same word "kampungan" and the police caught him out .,.....
     
  7. Krisna

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    There you go! :D
     
  8. huangkwokhau

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    If I were you..I would not say that no one can beat Chinese...let me share with you..china badminton is very worried and they count at least 5 to 7 players now can beat chinese players...
    What WMC did was very fabolous as she did beat chinese in china and honestly many non-factors got into the play that LYB would make sure Chinese would win all titles last year including service/receive faults tactics...( it worked in Cheng Du)
     
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    Caution

    We waited... hoping that this problem would go away.
    Well, it certainly did not :eek:

    Free speech doesn't imply a right to post abuse :(
    We don't have much use for irrelevant content either.

    43 posts - on issues ranging from international patents to the neurological effects of the lyssavirus - have been deleted.

    Consequently, all referential posts too have been deleted.
    That includes the Caution notice posted a few minutes ago.

    Please be warned that rudeness is the easiest route to a ban.
    For the moment, let's all hope that better sense will prevail.

    For a guide to dignified online behaviour, read abedeng's posts.
     
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    Let's keep Badminton Central away from Insensible Postings

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    Well Done Oldhand !!! :):):)

    Let us keep Badminton Central away from Insensible Postings.

    We are again being reminded that we need to be considerate to ALL BC members whenever we post.

    Our BCers are from all different nations supporting their own heroes. However, we should not be inconsiderate to others not sharing the same views.

    Abusive posts are definitely not warranted and they should be deleted.

    Cheers... chris@ccc
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  11. ye333

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    Simon lost because his weakness in power. Sony is a very fast and agile player, when he's on the run, even LD got frustrated. In Simon's case, he just could not finish the rally no matter how in control he was. Furthermore, Sony indeed seemed quite fresh. He can run as fast in the 2nd and 3rd games (if not faster! :eek:). This frustrated Simon.

    Furthermore, Simon's backhand is pretty weak. So the situation is like, when Simon dominates his opponent, he cannot finish him; When Simon is dominated, he loses the point. ;)

     
  12. ctjcad

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    Ruling...

    ..i don't know the exact ruling on how many yellow/red cards are needed for an umpire to issue a red/black card. However, not too long ago, a red card was given once during the 2006 TC's MD Semifinals match between the Danes vs. Mas; and the unfortunate recipients were the Danish pair (i believe the pair was Jens Eriksen & MLH); as for the penalty, i believe they had their pt taken off of them.
     
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    Oh, that game? I think we had three yellows and two reds. One red each for MAS and DEN, one yellow for MAS and two for DEN. This was the time when the card system was newly introduced together with the ruling to cut down on time wasting on the 21 point-per-rally system.

    The red cards meant one point advanced to the opponent, not deduction of existing points.

    But I suppose real blatant disregard will allow for a straight red/black card, like the professional fouls in soccer (immediate dismissal).
     
  14. ctjcad

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    ^^There ya go..^^

    ..thank you, abedeng, for re-living your vivid cognizance of those moments.. :cool:
     
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    lol, maybe the fans should bring some red color cards to game.
    When we dislike a call by the umpire, we should throw some red cards onto the court of the perceived culprit to show our displeasure:p

    This is a great way for quiet fans to express them opinion:p
     
  16. Loh

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    Then you may be red-carded yourself for 'ungentlemenly conduct' or even shown the black card and be escorted away by the ushers for throwing missiles at the players.

    Better to be armed with an oversized, clearly visible RED CARD and show it with contempt and chanting "FOUL, FOUL, FOUL" at the same time.

    But never shout "Referee KAYU"!
     
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    Misconduct

    The rules on misconduct is stated in BWF Law 3 Recommendations To Umpires:

    MISCONDUCT

    IMO, of particular relevance are the following incidents:

    3.5.1 - A player throwing a racket into the opponent's court or sliding under the net thereby causing obstruction and distraction, and possibly suspension in play.

    3.5.4 - Players leaving the court without the umpire's permission.

    3.5.5 - Players deliberately causing delay and suspension in play by unnecessarily walking around the court.

    3.5.6 - Coaching from off the court in any form while the shuttle is in play. Coaches must be seated in the designated seats and do not stand court-side during the match except during the permitted intervals. They must not distract or cause disruption to play and players. Such coaches can be warned and for a second similar offence be removed from the arena floor by the Referee.

    Most of these breaches are covered under BWF Law 16 on CONTINUOUS PLAY, MISCONDUCT & PENALTIES.

    Of special note is Law 16.6 which states that:

    A player shall not:

    16.6.1 - deliberately cause delay in, or suspension of, play;

    16,6,2 - deliberately modify or damage the shuttle in order to change its speed or its flight;

    16.6.3 - behave in an offensive manner; or

    16.6.4 - be guilty of misconduct not otherwise covered by the Laws of Badminton.

    The Umpire is given the power to penalize those who breached the Law.

    16.7 Administration of breach

    16.7.1 - The umpire shall administer any breach of Law 16.4, 16.5 or 16.6 by:

    16.7.1.1 - issuing a warning to the offending side; (Umpire calls the offending player to his side, raises his right hand holding a YELLOW CARD (Yellow Card) above his head and calls aloud "...player's name, WARNING for misconduct".

    16.7.1.2 - faulting the offending side, if previously warned. Two such faults by a side shall be considered to be a persistent offence; (Umpire calls offending player to his side, raises his right hand holding a RED CARD above his head and calls aloud "...player's name, FAULT for misconduct"; or

    16.7.2 - in cases of flagrant offence, persistent offences or breach of Law 16.2 (on Intervals), the umpire shall fault the offending side and report the offending side immediately to the Referee, who shall have the power to disqualify the offending side from the match.

    For disqualification or BLACK CARD:

    When the umpire has to administer a flagrant or persistent breach of the relevant Laws by faulting the offending side and reporting the offending side immediately to the Referee with a view to disqualification, he calls the offending player to his side as in the RED CARD case and in addition he calls the Referee to inform him and if the Referee agrees and decides to disqualify the offending side, a BLACK CARD is given to the umpire (by the Referee).

    The umpire then calls the offending player to his side and calls

    "...player's name, disqualified for misconduct"

    at the same time raising his right hand holding a black card above his head.

    So technically it will be:

    2 yellow cards = 1 red card;
    2 red cards = 1 black card


    Then the player is disqualified and out of the match.

    Hope you still have the stamina to read up to this stage, remain in focus and not be distracted . Otherwise you'll be given the RED card!
    :eek::eek::eek: :D:D:D
     
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    ^^Alright..^^

    ...finally, a brave soul to do a research for Seasider's inquiry...
    2 yellow cards=1 red card
    2 red cards=1 black card
    ...muchos gracias, Loh!:cool:
     
  19. ctjcad

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    Off topic-So, any decision/news to share on Taufik??..

    ...inquiring minds would like to know if there are any new developments on the decision of whether Taufik is a go or no go for the OG??...Krisna or Hau-ge, anything to share??..Or are PBSI still mulling their decision??..:confused:
     

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