Interesting Chinese media article

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  1. sumbadder

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    I think everyone is still missing the point: LYB's JOB is to be the head coach of team China and produce results. As concerned members of the badminton community we want to see what's best for the sport, but he is doing his job which is not to promote the sport but to bring in the golds. Obviously as fans we don't want to see things run like a business but the sports industry is an industry and to expect that people won't run it as such is completely absurd.
     
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    A business man's job is to make money. If one business man told his supervisor he can make one million in a year but in fact he can only guarantee 900,000, does that mean he should rob or cheat to get the remaining 100,000 and ppl should not criticize him? I don't think so.

    In fact, it's interesting to compare LYB's comments and TSF's comments when LD lost. After LD lost to PSH, TSF (in charge of LD at that time. LYB asked him to help) commented that LD is in form, but he lost because PSH played very well. Did we ever hear LYB say similar things? No. He is even reluctant to admit that his players are not in form. Most of the times it's the stadium or audience or wind blahblah.

    So LYB wants ppl to view his team as invincible. Thus it's only reasonable that his team is indeed required to be invincible and bring 5 golds home.

     
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    i think u r quite naive in this regard. There are plenty of plenty of plenty robbing going on in the business world. You just dont hear about them, or better yet, you and even pro businessman are completely blind to them. A current example: subprime mess. This wasn't an accident. Robbing start from the gullibe home buyers and all the way up to the blind CEO/CFO's. After that, the leaders, the ones u voted in, (bush, Ben Bernanke) prints money and drop interest rates, then bail outs from the gov't. Where do those monies come from? the innocents people through increase taxes and your worthless US bucks.
     
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    we can't be sure of that. Other coaches dont have the line up of good players like lyb have to work with. In term of tournament tactic, it is fair game IMO. In term of enjoyment to the fans, it is not fair. That is why hard for BWF to stop this so call fixing. It is very difficult to write rules to stop game fixing. I will stop here.
     
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    Maybe LYB is a strategist, not an entertainer. He is more of a leader than a popular hero, and in that role of course he has made many enemies. But at the end of the day, what matters is the silverware (gold medals and honour) you bring to your country.
     
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    It seems to me that LYB is looking out for the best interest of his country and his team over the spirit of the Olympics, the badminton world, and complete fairness to other players. I am not saying that is right, but at least, I can understand why he does what he does.
     
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    I don't know if you can say it as "fair game". Justified doesn't mean is fair vice versa. It may be fair and justify for someone but not other. Standard value of conscience is the thing that we all have to up hold. Although it can be different for each group of people. But in this case, I belief that everyone agree it is not right. May be justified for some.
    The word match fixing itself has a lot to say. Of course is hard to stop unless everyone has the same standard value of what is right and wrong.
    In the case of what LYB (not sure is him ), everyone know it is wrong in some degree. But and if are the reasons for justifying the deed.
    In my opinion, someone has forgot that it is entertainment. In LYB case, he is not saving the country from any disaster or shame by doing so but in contrary he might do damage to the nation image.
     
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    I tend to respect countries over fair play than their medal collection. If it comes along with a bad image (and it does), I hardly think it's doing much for China. It's also completely unfair to the players in China. Either they have to simply give up a tournament without a fight. A totally wasted opportunity... Or they get an easy win. And if that win is in the finals, I hardly think they'll look back at that tournament and think "I really did deserve that gold!".

    It's like "professional wrestling" (whatever it's called). Some of the matches are just an act. Who would want to win a tournament in such a situation if it's really no different than being the so called "heavyweight champion of the world!!"... (if you ignore the previous matches of course :)).
     
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    May be that's why, I have sympathy with the concept of Socialism which I still very naive in.
     
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    Please read my post again. Do you think ppl should not criticize them? My point is, you cannot say, I have such pressure blahblah and then walk away critic-free with the money.

    What I am against is this: some ppl said because LYB has such pressure therefore we as badminton fans should not criticize what he did.

     
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    Well, there is a high probability China will get most of the gold medals.
    Reasons:
    1) LYB and match fixing
    2) Beijing and local line judges.... unless there will be independent line judges...
     
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    A bit off topic-WWE??..

    ..actually it's all an "act", none real, yet they make it seems so real. All shows have been "fixed", pre-planned and pre-arranged. And, in spite of it all, people are still watching and shelling out monies to watch them without any complaints.

    A bit different than in badminton. When there are some "match fixing issues/complaints/suspicions", in any badminton matches, people will come, debate even condemn whether it's ethical or sportsmanlike to do so or not?..:p
     
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    i see it opposite.
    If LYB is successful in his alleged 'fixing' results from the SS, and got his OG seeding wish order, there is low incentive to fix the games in the OG. If lyb can influence the line judges and playing around with match fixing at the OG, lyb wont be doing his alleged diry deeds in the SS. Again, the joe pubic usually guess wrong of what is gonna to happen
     
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    The incentive is always there... Until China secure the Gold. In particular note that it's not possible for China to fill all 4 spots in SF.

    Just recall what happened in WS in both 00 and 04 OGs.

     
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    go complain to the IOC for fixing the OG qualifying entries.:rolleyes:

    chen yu will likely not play in the OG because of 3 maximum rule.
    chun yu is a dark horse candidate, has nothing to lose if he get to play.
    he has no pressure, no expectation. He can do serious damage to his highly pressured opponents.He can serve china by wiping out one or more of TH, LHI, PG, soni, etc No need for LYB to fix anything. LCW will have to face CJ, and/or BCL and/or LD.
     
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    ??? Why should I complain?

    In fact I would like to propose a quota of 1 player/pair per event for each country. We can compare with other sports. Can US send 5 teams to the basketball event? No. Can Brazil send 2 teams to the Soccer event? Again, no. Since OG is a country-based (more accurately, association-based) event, it should be reasonable to let every country be represented by its strongest player.

    With the above quota, there is simply no reason to do match fixing, before OG or in OG.

    Unfortunately, badminton needs OG to promote this sport and there is no way my idea will be implemented. :D

     
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    Oh.. you're worst than IOC, u want to fix the OG even more LOL
     
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    OG is over hyped but i can't stop that.
    On a technical merit, an Open type tournament in neutral countries is the best measure of who are the best. ex AE, SWISS, FRENCH OPENS.

    TH has no titles from these opens,
    LCW has one (french)
    LD, well, has many...(with spare to donates to his countrymen as well)

    TH has OG, WC and AG titles. Why? coz these games followed fix format
     
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    I want badminton to be treated the same as those "big" sports -- soccer, basketball, ... :D

     
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    I have to say this is nonsense. :D

     
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