Is Bao chun lai cheating?? Chen Hong got red handed cheating!!!

nokh88 said:
Why is it that it has to be TH against the Chinese players?
What do you think of post #33 by Smichz?
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I'm afraid I can't follow his train of thought the way it was posted. I would certainly not scroll all the way down to read every bit unless I'm going to throw a tirade of my own.

I understand though that any international player of any nationality does things in their own ways to gain an unfair advantage. Nothing to do with ethnicity specially in todays GLOBAL VILLAGE.

Admittedly, there are ardent fans who'd construct their arguments so that they sound completely neutral. The thing is, if these people were truly neutral, they would not have gone back again and again in the circus after the show is over. Truly neutral people would lose interest...the fact these people come back and hammers out theories upon theories (supposedly) of blabber to fill the gaps speaks for themselves (ulterior motives masks in neutrality).
 
People were alleging the chinese players were tampering the shuttles to make it fly faster :)
 
Everything I've seen about Chen Hong so far seems to suggest he's a pretty decent guy. I also don't think TH has ever had any issues with him; on the contrary they appear to have a lot of genuine mutual respect. If then I am correct in these assumptions, then here is what I think happened...
At their level of play, they trust that each player will inspect the shuttle before beginning a rally. So if they want to make sure that the shuttle is changed, they will check it more "rigorously" and this in turn also sends a signal to the other player who would mostly agree to go with the change. Most referees will go along as well, if the players mutually want the same thing: after all, they are the ones who have to deal with the bird. As for turning his back and all that stuff: they need to keep moving, they need to create space to think, and so the walk away from the net is a very natural thing. And the referee did his job, and that's fair, too. And the game moved on to its logical conclusion.
Maybe in badminton terms we sometimes see too many gremlins under our beds. :)
 
At the end of MS final WC2010, there was best moment video of TH vs Chen Jin. It was so clearly that CJ was breaking the shuttle..very clearly at my sight..
ooohh,,,how disappointed i am. i don't want to believe that chinese players which was a very talented and skillful badminton player was doing some unworthy actions..
hope bwf will more strict and assertive about this tricks so that badminton could be become truly respectable game..
 
jug8man said:
Very interesting......

Some strong comments here but a very short thread.

People must love Chen Jin more than they love Bao Chun Lai and Chen Hong.
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..or maybe more members now with too much time on their hands, maybe just want to make noise, to keep on posting and repeating their notion..:confused:
 
Maybe Chen Hong took his TIME looking and tampering the shuttle... And THEN giving it to Taufik....
So that Taufik changes the shuttle.
This might clearly buy him more TIME to breathe.
 
keith.roche said:
Maybe Chen Hong took his TIME looking and tampering the shuttle... And THEN giving it to Taufik....
So that Taufik changes the shuttle.
This might clearly buy him more TIME to breathe.
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Yup, most probably. I think he is a decent guy and tampering the shuttle to his advantage was not in his mind and he just need some time to think over his game. During those times, they used to change the shuttle freely without any objection from the opponents.
 
nokh88 said:
Yup, most probably. I think he is a decent guy and tampering the shuttle to his advantage was not in his mind and he just need some time to think over his game. During those times, they used to change the shuttle freely without any objection from the opponents.
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Exactly my point earlier on. Often people tend to get carried away with their own theories and overlook the basic human drama that is being played out on the court. You take a single moment in isolation and you can spin it any which way you want to. The danger in this is that you end up creating bad feelings and unnecessary resentment where it could have been avoided altogether.

We also need to remember that all these professional players are constantly aware of the fact that MULTIPLE CAMERAS WITH MULTIPLE ANGLES anre constantly following their ever move, with sharp zoom lenses and super slow-mo capabilities. They have to be VERY mentally challenged and stupidly arrogant to think they can actually pull off a cheat and not get caught. :D
 
They have to be VERY mentally challenged and stupidly arrogant to think they can actually pull off a cheat and not get caught. :D[/QUOTE]


I disagree at that point. A lot of people cheat at every sport and can get away with it. Even bigger stages like football, basketball, and soccer. I wont be surprised if 50 years later these professional badminton players admit they cheated at least once and not get caught.
 
pBmMalaysia said:
sometime its not that they want

but just old habits die hard

i think i am still doing that - stroke the feathers to make them slowerl
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Some actions are old habits like stroking the shuttle to straighten the feathers and walking around the court between points. I remember one match in the 80's between Prakash Padukone and Han Jian. Prakash was wiping his sweat on his forehead with his sleeves repeatedly on his service that it was so annoying and I think he won 15-0.
 
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smax5001 said:
I disagree at that point. A lot of people cheat at every sport and can get away with it. Even bigger stages like football, basketball, and soccer. I wont be surprised if 50 years later these professional badminton players admit they cheated at least once and not get caught.
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Some got caught, like Henry's hand ball against Ireland. Do you guys think it was accidental ? Just an example I can think of at this moment.
 
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Yes,

Furthermore they may be 4-8 cameras around but usually only 1 makes it to the telly screen at 1 point of time.

With that we have to rely on a TV producer to spot the right camera showing the 'crime'

nokh88 said:
Some got caught, like Henry's hand ball against Ireland. Do you guys think it was accidental ? Just an example I can think of at this moment.
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