Kim Her & The Great Korean Doubles Resurgence

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  1. X Ball

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    Ok, it is all visible for all to see. Kim Her, Malaysian coach for the Korean Doubles, has achieved a high mark for the concluded Korean Open. His two top doubles pairs reached the FINAL -- how good can that be. They played very good badminton.

    Time to call him home to Malaysia --- Malaysia can use a good coach to shore up the coaching. Rexy and Kim Her could take the Malaysian doubles far.THERE IS ROOM FOR 2 GOOD COACHES !
     
  2. zqloy

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    He turn down the offer recently. Perhaps Korea has better opportunity than in Malaysia.
     
  3. yuqiu

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    He wants to return but the deal BAM offered is not what he wants. Sadly.

    BAM ‘no’ to Kim Her return
    By RIZAL ABDULLAH

    JOHOR BARU: Tan Kim Her can forget about getting a coaching job with the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM).

    The former national doubles player, who is currently South Korea’s men’s doubles coach, had voiced his intentions to return to Malaysia and take up a coaching job with the BAM.

    However, it is learnt that there has been no progress on the matter since the negotiations with the BAM that took place in Tokyo during the Thomas Cup Finals in Tokyo.

    Kim Her had hoped to return as the doubles coach of the Project 2020-2012 squad, which is under the charge of Rashid Sidek. But national chief coach Yap Kim Hock apparently wants Kim Her to become assistant to men’s doubles coach Rexy Mainaky.

    Kim Her is not too happy with the way things are progressing.

    Neither was BAM president Datuk Nadzmi Salleh. He put it quite bluntly: “When you apply for a job, you don’t dictate terms where you want to work. It is up to us to decide to put you where we think it suits best.”

    It is learnt that Rexy is not willing to accommodate Kim Her, either. The Indonesian is “more than happy and pleased” with his current assistants Pang Cheh Chang and Chan Kim Wai.

    Nadzmi said Kim Her had been made an offer to be the head doubles coach under the Project squad.

    “But things have changed. We feel Kim Her will be better used elsewhere. BAM have yet to decide on where he will be useful in our long-term developments plans. But he certainly cannot make demands,” added Nadzmi.
    Meanwhile, Nadzmi said BAM’s journey was ongoing and they could not rest on their laurels.

    “The gold medal won by our doubles pair (Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong) is not a fluke but achieved through a plan to succeed,” said Nadzmi, adding that the BAM needed to evaluate the coaching set-up.

    Nadzmi confirmed that all national badminton coaches have been given letters indicating that that “they can continue working” in their present positions for all major assignments next year.

    “However, the new contracts and terms and conditions have yet to be worked out. We will decide on that soon.”
     
  4. chibe_K

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    Looking from the opposite angle, does BAM have the ability and capacity to accomodate two world class MD coaches? Looks like they are not capable of.
     
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    "Neither was BAM president Datuk Nadzmi Salleh. He put it quite bluntly: “When you apply for a job, you don’t dictate terms where you want to work. It is up to us to decide to put you where we think it suits best.”
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    Kim Her is best to stay in Korea which have less politics to deal with and can focus what he does best - produce better players. Why make life difficult for himself?:cool: After all, 'badminton politics' is common in May'sia...It hasn't changed a bit for ages....
     
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    Anything is possible.

    I guess BAM feels Kim Her should not dictate terms and should let BAM determine where he should be used, e.g. in the 2010 project but of course Kim Her thinks he should be in the current national squad.

    I think BAM needs to consider what will happen if Rexy suddenly decides that he needs to be back in Indonesia for whatever unknown reason --- and we know these things can happen.

    I think it might be too late if Kim Her has signed new deals with the Koreans who must be wrapped with his two surcharges who were in the Doubles Final in the KO.

    Anyway, in two years time (2008) when Rexy's contract is up and if he does not take up further offers from BAM, we can still talk to Kim Her. All will be forgiven by that time and Kim Her might decide it is good to come back.
     
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    Sometimes it is not the coach but what 'materials' he has to work with that is important.
    Some people are of the opinion that the renaissance in Malaysian badminton was brought about by Fang Kai-Hsiang. Problem was that the players at that time were all prima donnas who could not stomach Fang, a strict taskmaster.
    Without a doubt Li Mao and Rexy has worked wonders for the MAS players. We cannot assume that Kim Her can do the same.
     
  8. X Ball

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    It proves my point....Li Mao leaving Malaysia for greener pastures. Malaysia must bring Kim her back.
     
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    X Ball. You are right. Li Mao is leaving Malaysia.

    Friday February 2, 2007

    Chong Wei’s left in the lurch as coach Li Mao packs his bags

    By RAJES PAUL


    PETALING JAYA: Chinese coach Li Mao has left Malaysia to rejoin South Korea and it has thrown a spanner in the works of Lee Chong Wei's preparation for the World Badminton Championships.

    And the 25-year-old national number one, who has set his sights on winning the championships, which will be held at the Putra Stadium in Bukit Jalil from Aug 13-19, hopes that Li Mao would explain his reasons for leaving abruptly when he returns to Malaysia after the Chinese New Year holidays on Feb 20.

    Li Mao, who left for China after his last assignment with the national team at the Korean Open last week, has yet to officially inform the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) of his decision to leave the national team.

    National chief coach Yap Kim Hock confirmed yesterday that Li Mao signed a
    contract with the Korean BA during the Korean Open and he was expected to begin work in Seoul in March.

    Prior to joining the BAM in 2005, Li Mao had taken the Korean men's singles players to greater heights.

    His two-year contract in Malaysia expired on Dec 31. But instead of renewing it until the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games, the National Sports Council (NSC) sat on it.
    For now, Kim Hock said that women's singles coach Wong Tat Meng would take over the job of handling the men's players.

    It is unlikely that the BAM would hire a foreigner immediately and the Sidek brothers – Misbun and Rashid – are seen as the better candidates to take charge of the men's singles department.


    Misbun is currently with the national team and he coaches Mohd Hafiz Hashim while Rashid is the chief coach of the Project 2010-12 squad.

    “We did not expect this. I called him two days ago (in China) and he confirmed that he has joined the Korean BA,” said Kim Hock.

    “He is a professional coach and making decisions like this is normal. We have to accept it.

    “Now, we have to decide on the coaching structure for the men's singles at the next BAM's coaching and training committee meeting. The show goes on for us. Tat Meng has learnt a lot under Li Mao and he will take care of the men's players for now.”

    Chong Wei, who reached the number one spot for the first time – albeit for a short period – under the charge of Li Mao, was disappointed.

    “No, I did not hear this news from Li Mao. He dropped hints during the Korean Open but I thought it was a joke,” said Chong Wei.

    “When he comes back from his break, hopefully, we can have dinner together. I hope he will tell all of us (the men's singles players) about his decision. Was it because of me? The BAM? Or was it the country? We want to hear why he chose to leave.”

    Chong Wei's performances have dropped since his elimination in the quarter-finals of the World Championships in Madrid last September.

    Now ranked at world number five, he hopes that his preparation for the upcoming world meet will not be affected.

    “It takes a while for me to get used to the styles of a new coach. In fact, it took me half a year to get used to Li Mao's coaching methods. There are only six months to go to the world meet,” said Chong Wei.

    “I have to make the best out of the situation. My immediate task is to concentrate on the All-England (in Birmingham from March 6-11).”

    Under the charge of Li Mao, except for the achievements of Chong Wei and Wong Choong Hann, there was nothing to shout about from the others.
     
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    X Ball, I think Kim Her is a doubles specialist. He could not replace Li Mao. It's not his department.
     
  11. X Ball

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    I know that. I was just referring to that fact that it is sometimes better to have your own national being coach because they would be more loyal.
     
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    i see your point but at the end of the day, it is still the $ factor that determines the loyalty level. :p
     
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    Like..... ??? :D
     
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    Unfortunately in Li Mao's case, it seems that the BAM, or rather the National Sports Council have shot themselves in the foot.

    They should have started talks etc to renew Li Mao's contract much earlier, rather than dwelling on it like a blinking tortoise :mad: . Heck, it's even gone past the contract expiration date by a whole month! You just don't treat your "assets" like that, professional coaches are human too, they would like some measure of stability and knowing when their next paycheck would come in!

    Unless, of course, the NSC no longer think Li Mao is delivering the goods and hence not wanting to renew his contract. Even if this is the case, it is very unprofessional for them not to tell him outright that they are no longer interested in his services and that he can go and look for other jobs!

    On the face of it, it's very disgraceful on the NSC's part, but I guess we should be getting more details in the next few days; so I'll reserved my ultimate judgement till then :mad: :mad: :mad: .
     
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    just another mistake by BAM, big mistake.
     
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    mayb we should hire LYB instead? hehehe.....
     
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    I remember a few years back Malaysian Doubles was making some waves. Good to proper results, even the taking the World jrs 2004 doubles title.

    And splashed on the sports section of papers, the only coach name that is really visibly was YAP KIM HOCK. Head coach and Doubles Coach.

    Then Korea did the smart thing and hired Tan Kim Her. Who was just one of the 'Yap Kim Hock assistants' in the eye of the public and BAM. Korea's investment seems to be paying gainfull dividens at the loss of Malaysian Badminton.

    I'm not saying that Tan Kim Her is the person who should have gotten all the credit........ it is that overlooking the people behind the scene is just really sarting to take its toll on country's badminton in more ways than one. And in so many levels of the development structure.

    tbbmbb(n)
     
  18. X Ball

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    For the same reason, I think it is time to get Rashid to become top coach. He has waited long enough in the wings (and under his older brother Misbun).

    He has got my respect as top honcho !
     
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    hope that rashid can bring us another thomas cup...:p:p
     

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