Lee Chong Wei ( 李宗伟 )

Cheung said:
if it is the team who advised the athlete to take the medication, doesn't a large part of the responsibility fall upon the team?

For the F1 example, not only the driver is penalised but the car is penalised. For an athlete, sometimes we see the coach being penalised. If the athlete has already asked if the drug is ok (actually many people will have a lot of trust and not ask), and/or the team hasn't explained the implications properly, then medical legal law will side with the plaintiff.

I read that LCW has had stem cell treatment - the last paper I read on it was from the international Olympic committee reviewing the evidence. There is very sparse evidence of being of benefit....and what of the harm?
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Definitely. I was just considering the possibility of the player having unknowingly taken the substance and whether his mgt team had acted appropriately (i.e. being familiar with WADA restrictions, the medication the player may have been taking and so on).

At the end of the day, even if his team mgt is found guilty of negligence, the player will be the one having to pay the ultimate price - not the team, not the physio, not the manager, not ADAMAS. The player is the one who will have to face the media, the attention, the shame and the taint. The others just move on to something else.

(Are there provisions in WADA that allows the use of a banned substance during competition if that substance is deemed, in the medical profession, as the most effective to deal with whatever ailment the player is suffering from? Or there's no leeway cos this might lead to fabrication of evidence to support?)

Anyway, I also highly doubt that all heads would fall in BAM. With their history of dealing with crisis, I'm sure they already have someone lined up to face the firing squad should things go south.
 
eaglehelang said:
Everyone, from the tone of the Sports Minister statements, it would seem kike

1) heads will roll from medical team. If it is due to sickness/ injury that drug was prescribed and they disnt fill up that TUE form

2) BAM will have their punishment already with loss of sponsors if LCW has to retire now.
The wushu association president resigned as a result of Tai testing positive and stripped of her AG gold medal.
Whether BAM president will resign if LCW sample B test positive, depends on his conscience and the political clout he holds, literally. If he has powerful connections, then smaller minions will get the chop.
Most likely, the coaches, Teh and Rashid.
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You know when you have a fart, everyone would run away immediately.

Everybody would think this is a fart: " I do not know, he never told me" would be the order of the day.
 
Gary Lim said:
(Are there provisions in WADA that allows the use of a banned substance during competition if that substance is deemed, in the medical profession, as the most effective to deal with whatever ailment the player is suffering from? Or there's no leeway cos this might lead to fabrication of evidence to support?)
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That's what the TUE is for.

this the description from the USADA website:

"In some situations, an athlete may have an illnesses or condition that requires the use of medication listed on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Prohibited List. USADA can grant a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) in these situations in compliance with the World Anti-Doping Agency International Standard for TUEs. The TUE application process is thorough and designed to balance the need to provide athletes access to critical medication while protecting the rights of clean athletes to complete on a level playing field.
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yeo_melaka said:
For the sake of future, let LCW retire and let all heads fall in BAM. Rebuild it again from scratch. :D
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Can't agree more. Let him retire and have more quality time with WMC and his son. As far as for BAM restructuring plan ( just to break the ice here.....) i would suggest the following nominee

BAM Supreme Commitee President: Datin Rosmah ( sorry...no choice)
BAM President : Datuk Nadzmi (hmmmm again....what to do)
GM : Kenny G ....sorry..... Kenny Goh ( hmmm.......him also again)
Head of CTC : The chinese guy with spectacles .... (forgot his name but very familiar)
Coaches :
Rashid
Teh.................................................................................................................................................... Wait...this is not restructuring.....Damn........
 
So the substance detected was mentioned in that Rajes Paul article as dexamethasone. A steroid with anti-inflammatory effects.

Prior to the WC in Copenhagen where he was tested, what injuries and treatments did he have? Anyone recall?
 
Now then, a noob sports science question for WADA...

If an athlete has something like a golfer's or tennis elbow tendinitis and gets steroid injection into that area for faster recovery, is that a case for a possible TUE application?
 
visor said:
Now then, a noob sports science question for WADA...

If an athlete has something like a golfer's or tennis elbow tendinitis and gets steroid injection into that area for faster recovery, is that a case for a possible TUE application?
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Yes bro regardless of how it is administrated since such drugs is prohibited under the 2014 WADA list be it through oral, IV, IM or rectal route ( S9 / 2014 WADA prohibited list)

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA-Revised-2014-Prohibited-List-EN.PDF
 
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Right, I see corticosteroids (the class of steroids that dexamethasone belongs to, not anabolic steroids) are only prohibited in-competition. So they're allowed for out of competition treatment of injuries and such.

Then someone in his medical advisory committee must have miscalculated, thinking that the dexamethasone used to treat his thigh injury in around early July would be clear of detectable levels by WC in late Aug.
 
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visor said:
Right, I see corticosteroids (the class of steroids that dexamethasone belongs to, not anabolic steroids) are only prohibited in-competition. So they're allowed for out of competition treatment of injuries and such.

Then someone in his medical advisory committee must have miscalculated, thinking that the dexamethasone used to treat his thigh injury in around early July would be clear of detectable levels by WC in late Aug.
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An arcticle of the German badzine website says that this medication also has an positive effect on mood, perception and attention. So it's not completely ruled out that it was deliberately used in order to enhance his performance.
 
shooting stroke said:
Prostanozol, an anabolic steroid found in body builder dietary supplement. Hmmmmm.......you must have a very huge forearm
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no. my coach just told me to take them for cold and and as pain killer!
looks like that I wouldn't be picking up a racket for a couple of years, or should I just claim it's all his fault?
 
That's bad news. Originally they said he'd miss Denmark and French, but its quickly become others too. Let's just hope he doesn't do what LD did and take a really long time out. I was hoping to see him at the all England next year :( maybe not now... who knows?
 
Ben100 said:
That's bad news. Originally they said he'd miss Denmark and French, but its quickly become others too. Let's just hope he doesn't do what LD did and take a really long time out. I was hoping to see him at the all England next year :( maybe not now... who knows?
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If B sample is also positive (pray it is not) then not just All England my BC friend but All Superseries and All tournament sanctioned by BWF he will miss for 2 years.
 
Ben100 said:
That's bad news. Originally they said he'd miss Denmark and French, but its quickly become others too. Let's just hope he doesn't do what LD did and take a really long time out. I was hoping to see him at the all England next year :( maybe not now... who knows?
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he withdrawn from the Denmark and French after the the first positive test announced on 1/10. according to some experts the chance of the second test with the same result will close to 100%, a very slim chance that will go the other way.

so, if the second test indeed confirmed the first result whatever gained (ranking points, prize monies etc) since the WC2014 have to surrender back. with that in mind, would you go out for all these t'ments?
 
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