Lee Yong Dae ( 이용대 / 李龍大)

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  1. R20190

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    That seems a bit harsh on YYS. I agree with the latter part of that but he is not without any outstanding talents, it's just that its not so obvious.

    YYS technique is not the prettiest but he does have some strong qualities. His smash is perhaps the most notable. He possesses one of the most accurate smashes in MD in my books and was devastating with the power he could generate. Not many had this combination. The philosophy he adopted when he partnered LYD was not to smash crosscourt very much or risk going for winners - presumably to ensure a better chance of engaging LYD at the front and better win rate. So he was limited on where he could place his smashes. He would aim most of his smashes at that awkward elbow area of his opponents time after time. None of his other team mates were able to do this as consistently - including the late JJS. This was a clever tactic as I'm sure YYS knew he couldn't sustain a hard smash for long unlike KSH or JJS so he had to play a smash that had the highest chance of a weak return to share the load with LYD.

    He was also very consistent on service returns. Hardly any mistakes despite a rather unorthodox playing style.
     
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    I also believe Yoo to be under-rated and agree with R20190´s post above
     
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    Meh, I don't know. Since I haven't been able to have an extended conversation to clear up some stuff like that, whether it was intentional, how much thought went into it all, I can't really say how much of it was only instict/chance...
    What I can judge is only what I can see on court, and he had no real outstanding quality to me that made him one of only a handful in the world, you know? Obviously he wasn't without a great deal of talent, or he wouldn't have succeeded at the level he was at, but much like MGF these days, it wasn't in his technique or anything visible past pure physicality and tenacity. The one thing I do definitely credit him with is an athletic talent that he made good use of with his work ethic (again, similar to MGF).
    What I meant to say is that he didn't have something that made him stand out like JJS' incredible disguised drop shots, for example, or FHF thunder smash, LYD's speed at the net (esp. intercepting drives), or Setiawan's apparent ability to read his opponents' minds...
    He provided a very solid platform for LYD to shine, and that is admirable in its own way, yet part of his job was also to not be overly creative or take to many risks.

    Side note - I thought he had one of the ugliest smash forms for someone who arguably was one of the Top5-10 smashers at some point of their career. And how he smashes like 8 consecutive times sometimes made me want to scream into a pillow :D
    Some of his technical peculiarities are definitely very common in Korea as well, there's a lot of very panhandle-y players there and while it physically hurts me to watch it sometimes, if it gets taught and reinforced for years and years you can hardly blame the player himself for his technique. I just wish I knew why they teach it so much when it has such big weaknesses at a top level (sorry if this is drifting a bit off-topic).
     
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    Yeah me neither. Theres different types of players in regards to training volume as well. Some (me included) need more training than others to keep sharp and consistent. Others will have lower needs if they just want to maintain their reading of the game, or their consistency.
     
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    Sorry, nothing really to add. I haven't spoken to Yoo since just before the Canada Open and he seemed positive, by why wouldn't he? The chances of top players speaking candidly about their partners privately or to the media are extremely slim. I do wonder whether the Lee-Yoo reunion was prompted by the Kim² reunion. Just 3 days after they announced their partnership was a one-off, the Chinese Taipei lists came out, showing that Kim Gi Jung had gone back to partnering Lee Yong Dae. So who knows? It could have little to do with Yoo Yeon Seong at all.
     
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    What actually happened between them?
     
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    He said it right in the post you quoted - that there's rumors of them having big differences after the Rio OG.

    Having watched some of Lee/Yoo's match vs Lee/Yang at the US Open, I cant help but come back to it. Yoo looks SO out of it. Slow. No danger in his attack whatsoever. And he completely lost his rhythm, which makes it so much worse....it also pronounces many of the same things I criticized Marcus Gideon Fernaldi for - huge overswings, very 'linear' technique, and when you don't have the outstanding physicality to make it work, that really is shown to be a weakness. If you're in full flow and have a below average reaction time even for pro players, you can make it work, but when you're struggling with the tempo anyway, you're going to be a liability in defense and the flat game.
    Personally, I see no reason why LYD should continue playing with this version of Yoo over KGJ, at least KGJ is dangerous from the back court.
     
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    Right. I was asking more precisely what were those differences about. If by any chances anyone knew about it.
     
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    I thought my hand skin was bad from playing badminton, but actually mine looks like baby skin compared to LYD :eek:
     
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    Another first round loss for LYD, he should be more patient with YYS..

    Feel bad for him, he's not used to keep losing in the earlier round like this, and to think his old rival ahsan/setiawan still dominating the MD world right now....
     
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    Clearly there's something we are missing. I saw an interview a few months ago where yys was announcing that he and lyd were reuniting in a bid to qualify for the OG. This was after a few tournaments where he looked decent but slow and where kgj was overly error prone.

    In the interview (and other recent videos) you could see yys was a shell of his former self and he stated that he had lost 5 kg. Since he was far from fat before, that meant he lost 5 kilos of muscle, which for a guy of skinny metabolism is enormous. So that would have required mammoth training to rebuild, not to mention the training required to make him explosive and enduring.

    So physically it would have been hard for both yys and lyd to regain the strength, speed and stamina of yesteryears to return to top competition. On top of that if they had a personal conflict, then they would have had no choice but to pull out and end their partnership.

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    Could you by any chance post some links to those videos?
     

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