Lets vote for New or Old point system.

Discussion in 'Rules / Tournament Regulation / Officiating' started by terry, Sep 20, 2005.

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Which scoring system do you prefer?

  1. Old 15x3 service based scoring

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  2. New 21x3 rally based scoring

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  1. CWB001

    CWB001 Regular Member

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    Well, now you are comparing apples and pears. You cannot compare knowledgeable football fans with non-badminton fans to show that a continually moving score is better. That is flawed logic.

    The answer to your question is "yes". In fact, I'm taking my son to play in an American scoring tournament on Sunday.

    So if, when you say "no offence", you mean to imply that if I had seen/played such badminton I would agree with you, then I am afraid you are mistaken.

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    I have mixed feeling about both. Personally i like the old scoring. But at the same time i'm a person who like changes and challenges, i don't like to be too comfortable. It really depends on how you view on the system.
    At the moment i stand undecided.
     
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    In my opinion, the change would make too much of a mental change in the game. It would take a lot of time and new training to adjust to the speed of the game in this manner. The pace of the game would also be drastically different. If one player was hitting a bad part of their game, it would probably take a whole set before they may get back on their feet again.
     
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    nah, i dont like the fact you can score match-point on anothers serves.
    now, when playing it right, you can still win when being down by 9-14.
    getting the serves back is a resting point...

    I'd vote C: 9x5 normal point.
     
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    DaN_fAn Regular Member

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    well that's your view to the issue and i have aldready stated mine.

    If the IBF does change the rules again this time then[if i am right]that will be done only after taking the feedback from the players and not like last time.So if majority of the players along with the IBF members do think the Rally point scoring is better then i say GO for it.

    For now we can only wait and see.
     
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    DaN_fAn Regular Member

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    So what did you vote for?At the moment the Old system is what everyone's voting for.
    Anyone's shares my idea on rally point scoring?
     
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    Have you been consulted, then? I haven't.

    What signs are there of a consultation taking place? Bear in mind it needs to be complete by the end of November and there is little time left.

    How will they go about it? Will there be a vote?

    Or will only a select few professional players be consulted, with the mass of players ignored? If so, is that a valid consultation?

    Sadly, I think I know the answer to these questions - and they don't bear out your expectation.

    Regards,

    Cliff
     
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    well maybe most people think that the 21-rally system isn't the best way to count scoring in badminton, but i think we should give it more time before we actually vote. i wound vote 15x3 myself but i've never actually tried to play the 21x3 version so i have no idea whether it's more efficient or not :cool:

    well i guess what i'm trying to say is, you'll never know unless you try it first...

    so next time i play i'll try to play the 21x3 :D
     
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    Visit this webpage from badminton Association of India's Official Website-
    http://badmintonindia.org/bulletin/09/new%20scoring%20system%20menu.htm
    Click on 'feedback form of either 11x5 or 21x3 scoring links.As you can see ,That is a feedback form with various important questions asked about the scoring and at the end[after you give your view you need to indicate whether you are a Coach,manager,Player etc.

    So i am only guessing that this feedback form is given to all the players/Coaches etc. or maybe the feedback form is not exactly distributed but those who want to express their views can do it and send it to the IBF through their national assocaiations,which is a good idea.

    why would i be asked?i am no Pro/Coach.
    Are You Any Of The Two?
     
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    That's exactly what i said.You should have tried the Rally point Scoring System first and THEN voted.

    Give us your feedback after you have tried.
     
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    Yes. But why should only professional players be consulted? They only represent the very tip of the pyramid. What about everyone else?

    Regards,

    Cliff
     
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    So are you a player or a coach?
     
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    Coach and administrator, but why is that relevant? Does it somehow enhance my opinions?

    And why do you not answer my questions? Why should only professional players and coaches be consulted?
     
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    Maybe that's the right way of doing it.Coaches like yourself and Proffesional players are the ones whose advise can be given more weightage and importance.in any case we cant have Everyone giving their feedback to the IBF.that would be a BIG no.

    i cannot say much as i am in no way affiliated with the IBF.But i must say that the IBF are atleast taking views and suggestions and not like last time.Much better Scenario this time around.
     
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    But why are they more weight and importance? Why should only a few chosen elite players be consulted?
     
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    Well atleast it's a start,it's better than nothing.

    Getting back to the topic-while playing today with the rally point System i noticed that it tends to put a lot of pressure and excitement while playing on the players.while someone mentioned that players will play more conservatively and there will be longer rallies,i argue saying that there will be the temptation of getting a quick point by hitting a winner.so over all i think the balance will be just right and preserved and if anything the game will only look better.... and in my view the kind of pressure and excitement this scoring creates is just unbeatable.
     
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    Ok, well I wouldn't be the type of player who hits many outright winners from deep in the court. Most of my points would be won by moving my opponent around and getting good angles on the shuttle. I like a fast tempo and generally the longer rallies go on the better things are for me. I think the old system allows you to be very aggressive when you are serving as if you go for a winner and miss the score doesn't change. Hence the old system seems to suit explosive players more. Obviously being able to score on either serve puts more emphasis on consistancy. So I think the new system wouldn't bother me too much.
     
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    service overs are a unique part of badminton! i don't wanna lose it!
     
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    Agree; about a week ago my partner and I came back from being down 2-14 and won it 17-16 saving 5 game points. About 3 days ago, my partner and I were down 11-14 and saved 9 game points winning 17-15. :)

    With the "ping-pong" scoring, this could have never happened.
     
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    i personally voted for the new system because i dont have much endurance...and of course people want to play at their best and in some case people want to face their opponent at their best too
     
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