So just like I thought, half the records are worthless (team events are not individual achievements). Thanks for confirming. Still impressive otherwise, sure, but I think his actual achievements are way more impressive than some weird cobbled-together world records (only winner of multi-year and team events? Come on)...for sure, but not now
that because you also count 3 commonwealth games (CWG) titles where LD can't take part.
to be fair, both players has the same number : 66 titles
but if you insists to count CWG titles, then what about Thomas and Sudirman cup titles for Lin Dan ?
for sure, something like that.
- Lin Dan is the only MS to win all major / multi year events (Olympics, World Championships, Thomas Cup, Sudirman Cup, Asian Games individual and Asian Games team)...1 world record...
plus he was the most successful MS in all 6 important events above...6 world records...
that is already 7 world records.
- 12 years non stop winning major / multi years events, from Thomas Cup 2004 to Sudirman Cup 2015
- also, the most wins and longest unbeaten run in World Championships, Thomas Cup and Sudirman Cup.
another 6 world records.
- undefeated in all Thomas cup and Sudirman cup final matches (8 / 8)...100% winning records
- 30 matches won in a row, start from Chinese Taipei open, Macau, Hong Kong, World Championships, Japan, and QF China open 2006.
- 1+ title for 18 consecutive years.
and also something like the most MS title in China open, china master, germany open and so on
plus the youngest and the oldest MS to win certain events...
that is already 19 or 20 world records or even more...
be patient, more data to come...
that because LD take his foot off the pedal...just after win Beijing 08
as an olympics champion, he can earn 5 - 10 times more money by doing off court (promotional) activities than badminton prize money...
do you think he can get huge sponsorship deals from Yonex if he is / was not multiple Olympics and world champion ?
but when he really focus in badminton, from 20XX - aug 2008, LCW only at the top for 3 months, while LD being #1 for almost 4.5 years.
back to 2009, LD only need to play 1 match (R1) no matter win or lose in any super series event, to become world #1...but that doesn't happen because he is too busy with the promotional.
Interestingly, I have seen some of LCW's MD exhibitions and XD tournament play and did not have that impression. It seemed to me like he could hang with the big guys in terms of attacking from the back/mid-court, but would be exploited in the net area and defensively. He could probably have gotten to a passable level in XD, where the overall pace and nature of the rallies are different, but I wouldn't be too sure if he could've gotten to the same level as in MS. He also has some very specific skills that don't transfer at all, like his incredible half-diving defense.
I don't think there's any such judgement possible (I.e. player X would've been better in discipline Y), it's more or less an eye test only, which as I said can be very misleading (for example, Chen Long really doesn't look all that spectacular compared to players like LCW, LD, Axelsen, Kidbi).
Anyway, to each their own. I'm certainly not saying you're wrong, I just have a different impression and I think both are equally unprovable![]()
You list those useless distinctions of location as if they have any meaning, just like you list team events like they're individual achievements. They're not. They can't possibly be considered when looking at individual achievements. In fact there's players with 100% winning records who didn't win a single team match (in one tournament) and others who have lousy records who still got pulled through by their team. Team event placings don't matter in terms of individual achievement, simple as that. It's not LCWs fault that the Malaysian team was always second rate at best, and it's not LD's achievement that China's was excellent. They're both only responsible for their own performance.Lin Dan :
(world records in Men's Singles)
- most time winner in Swiss open, Badminton Asia Championships, Hong Kong open...3 world records
- the only player to win 1+ title in 4 different continents
- the only Thomas cup winning member to win Olympics gold in the same year (2008 and 2012)...even with 100% winning records in 2012
- the only top seed to win Olympics gold (2008)
- the first reigning world champion to be crowned Olympics champion (2007 - 2008)
- the only MS to win Sudirman Cup and World Championships in the same year twice (2009 and 2011)...with 100% records in SC
- one of only 2 players to win Thomas Cup, Asian Games individual, and AG team in the same year 2010 (joint record with Zhao Jianhua)...with 100% records in TC and AG team
- MS with the most number of titles won : 66 individual titles (joint record with Lee Chong Wei)
- the only MS to win Olympics gold home and away (Beijing 08 ; London 12)
- the only MS to win World Championships home and away (Guangzhou 13 ; Madrid 06, KL 07, Hyderabad 09, London 11)
Wait, this report was supposedly refer to New Zealand Open 2019. LD lost to JC in Australia Open 2019.https://sports.qq.com/a/20190618/001811.htm
“前一场打(印尼选手)金廷,林丹就感冒发烧,打完比赛之后浑身疼,他是带着病打第二天半决赛的,否则跟伍家朗打不会输得那么难看。”这位人士揭露了个中缘由,“其实当时都劝他要不就放弃吧,但他坚持参赛,觉得应该全力以赴,珍惜每一场比赛的机会。”
"It turned out that at the Australian Open'19 semifinals, Lin Dan caught a cold and was running a fever and aching all over after his match with Ginting the day before he played Ng Kah Long, which explained his pathetic defeat", as revealed by someone to the reporter. " Actually, Lin Dan was advised to concede a walkover to Ng Kah Long, but he insisted on playing and giving his best saying he cherished the chance to play every single match." (presumably to gain OG QF points)
My bad, corrected. Thanks.Wait, this report was supposedly refer to New Zealand Open 2019. LD lost to JC in Australia Open 2019.
I don't get what you have been trying to sayactually, all of LD achievement means nothing...because you are anti LD lol
no matter how many times he win china open, korea open, and even multiple world champion...all of them are useless...
so what really matter is only LCW 12 malaysia titles, commonwealth games, malaysia satelite and so on...lol
that because your goat LCW lose in every edition of asian games team event from 2006, 2010, and 2014 lol
2010 Thomas cup :
LCW = MS world #1
Koo / Tan = MD world #1
is that not enough ?
2010 TC was held in malaysia lol
and LD is in bad form, back to back QF in 2 events in a row (AE - Swiss), his worst performance in 5 or even 6 years
but when it really matter, LD made LCW looks like a novice in putra indoor stadium
LCW only can score 8 points in G2 lol
lol
if china MS1 is chen long and not LD, keep dreaming if china can win 5 TC and 5 SC during 2004 - 2012 / 13
keep dreaming
and LCW is responsible for losing terribly to LD in thomas cup 2010
at first impression, I also think just like you
but you can read his coment...really different...all of LD world record is useless (according to him for sure)
Exactly. The record OG and WC Golds are definitely milestones, incredible achievements. So are his many AE titles and impeccable TC/SC statistics - it's just the team placings and weird specific records ("most matches won while wearing only one sock, in a foreign continent, having drunk 0,33l beer the day before"....who gives a damn) that aren't real individual achievements.Not all of them, but the redundant, duplicate records and stuff that no-one cares about which can be told about almost all players.
Lol- the only MS to win 2 Olympic Gold medals
- the only MS to win Olympics at home and away
- the only MS to win 2 Olympic Gold medals on two different continents
- the only MS to defend his Olympic Gold
- the only reigning Olympic champion to defend his title
but wait... there's more.![]()
Well, I don't think LD had ever done especially well in Indonesia Open before so I can only say "All the Best" and I truly, earnestly, sincerely hope that @Nine Tailed Fox 's wish of LD winning this particular exhibition would come true.![]()