Lin Dan whitewashed LCW

indra said:
IMO, LD is not as super as you have thought..As long as he has not won a title in Indonesia. LCW won once...so LCW in my opinion is A LOT stronger mentally and physically than LD...Playing in Jakarta is totally different from playing elsewhere. Jakarta is the "most extreme" ground of BWF SS.

TH and LCW have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable.

If the decision is up to LYB, it is because LYB knows that LD will not be able to handle the "extreme condition" in Ina SS.
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indra said:
It all happened when TH was injured...LD won his elite titles in the absence of TH [injury], due to assistance of his Chinese fellows, and playing in China-friendly environment
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what's the point of whitewashing TH or LCW in their home ground? New excuses for LCW and TH would surely follow after that. Aren't LD's current winning record said enough about who will white washing who?
 
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pjswift said:
yes,abedeng's observations' spot on!
I wouldn't worry about LCW's handling of the CHN crowd. He's getting there.
Based on LD's body language, LCW would be better off with a different strategy.
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yup, it seem that when lcw lost, he used the wrong strategy. Question is, why lcw is holding back his good strategies? He should use them, as least on LD.
 
cooler said:
yup, it seem that when lcw lost, he used the wrong strategy. Question is, why lcw is holding back his good strategies? He should use them, as least on LD.
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These 2 players know each other games inside out so strategy is not the key to their success rather execution is the one. If both players perform to their true potential then Lin Dan has a upper hand with his size and power. Now we know why Chinese always pick the players with good height, it doesn have advantage!
 
Han said:
These 2 players know each other games inside out so strategy is not the key to their success rather execution is the one. If both players perform to their true potential then Lin Dan has a upper hand with his size and power. Now we know why Chinese always pick the players with good height, it doesn have advantage!
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knowing how your opponents play is one thing while having the effective arsenals to beat them is a total different matter. LD can alway keep his pace 1 step ahead of his best opponent (TH,LCW, PG). Actually, i believe LD prefer a faster pace opponent as long rallies seem to bring the best out of him. If u watch the 09 SC MS final, LCW did at one point (2nd set?) upped his pace and LD happily upped his too. LCW later slipped back to regular mode after 2-3 rallies. Why? because it wasn't effective again LD.

When LCW play against joarchim P., simon santoso, kenneth J, etc, LCW showed high confidence against them... because he know he can beat them.
 
cooler said:
When LCW play against joarchim P., simon santoso, kenneth J, etc, LCW showed high confidence against them... because he know he can beat them.
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But if LCW doesn't have the same 'high confidence' when he play against Lin DAn, the game will be as dull as ever. What's the better choice?
 
koo_fan said:
But if LCW doesn't have the same 'high confidence' when he play against Lin DAn, the game will be as dull as ever. What's the better choice?
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Even tho it might not be the best strategy, but as a spectator, I would rather to watch a fast & furious all out attacking game from LCW like the Hong Kong Open 06 final. (during the Li Mao days...) :(
 
koo_fan said:
But if LCW doesn't have the same 'high confidence' when he play against Lin DAn, the game will be as dull as ever. What's the better choice?
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only dull for bolenians:D Realistically speaking, it's good to have lcw(and TH,PG,PSG,LHI) around, it is them that help molded LD into what he's today.
 
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IMO, LCW is much stronger than LD. When LD vs LCW..it is actually LCW vs LD + Chen Jin, or LCW vs LD + Bao, or LCW vs LD + CJ + Bao...

LD's titles are not purely his, they are China Team's.

....Please come to Jakarta. I doubt if LD wants and dares to face LCW or TH in Jakarta...He won't come...
 
Han said:
These 2 players know each other games inside out so strategy is not the key to their success rather execution is the one. If both players perform to their true potential then Lin Dan has a upper hand with his size and power. Now we know why Chinese always pick the players with good height, it doesn have advantage!
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Lin Dan has a upper hand with his size, power and speed.
 
cooler said:
but georgie boy, we did not start going around saying ' LD afraid of playing in SG, MAL and INA'. We were only mocking bolenian's excuses.
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'mocking' is the word huh?;)
Actually im always wanting Lin dan to come over to Mas, SG, INA to participate in the tournament here. I would like to see how he fare in those tournaments in that above 3 countries:)
 
george@chongwei said:
'mocking' is the word huh?;)
Actually im always wanting Lin dan to come over to Mas, SG, INA to participate in the tournament here. I would like to see how he fare in those tournaments in that above 3 countries:)
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if i'm LD and i know that i'm the best. i'll decide when and where to play, if anyone wanted to win or even play against me, you know where to find me.
 
AlanY said:
if i'm LD and i know that i'm the best. i'll decide when and where to play, if anyone wanted to win or even play against me, you know where to find me.
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But the fan and the spectators would want to know how will the best player, LD, fare in their country's tournament;)
 
george@chongwei said:
But the fan and the spectators would want to know how will the best player, LD, fare in their country's tournament
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the problem is you need to attract the top players to come, seems that money alone will not be enough as the first (or last?) SS final proved that. another way to do it is to promote say 4 of the current SS to Grand Slam events like tennis. double the price monies and most importantly the ranking points that may make sure all the top players wanted to be there.
 
george@chongwei said:
But the fan and the spectators would want to know how will the best player, LD, fare in their country's tournament;)
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if u can convince LN that would boost LN's sales in MAS/SG/INA big time, LD will come;)

Question is, should chen jin, BCL and chen long come too or stay home?
if these MS boys go with LD and LD win, u guys still says LD got assisted in winning the title.
 
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cooler said:
if u can convince LN that would boost LN's sales in MAS/SG/INA big time, LD will come;)

Question is, should chen jin, BCL and chen long come too or stay home?
if these MS boys go with LD and LD win, u guys still says LD got assisted in winning the title.
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LD can defeat LCW, TH, PG, but can never defeat the belohian. :p
 
In any rate..

cooler said:
knowing how your opponents play is one thing while having the effective arsenals to beat them is a total different matter. LD can alway keep his pace 1 step ahead of his best opponent (TH,LCW, PG). Actually, i believe LD prefer a faster pace opponent as long rallies seem to bring the best out of him. If u watch the 09 SC MS final, LCW did at one point (2nd set?) upped his pace and LD happily upped his too. LCW later slipped back to regular mode after 2-3 rallies. Why? because it wasn't effective again LD.
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Han said:
These 2 players know each other games inside out so strategy is not the key to their success rather execution is the one.
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mikeyapkf said:
The fact remains....LD is the stronger player. His only weakness is he is very impulsive and explosive...and make mistakes if provoked. Nowadays he is keeping his cool and this cut down on that weakness and make his opponent feeling the pressure because his defense is solid and attacking play is very sharp. To stay on top of him, you must be a very strong player in stamina, attack, defense and mentally strong. LCW is still a class below...and he need to work more on his attacking. You can see he is very good when he attacks but that he only got 1 or 2 good shots. He cannot keep attacking because his stamina is limited. When LD is able to counter his attack, he seems to give up attack and lose focus. He is not playing an offensive game and start to defense too often. He also makes mistakes because he is being pressured too much.
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..pretty much concur with the above observations.
I re-watched the MS Semifinal match between LinDan vs. LCW, in its entirety, and i must say, the only difference in that match was LinDan's execution or the way he was able to control the tempo & shots, whenever he wants to do so. LCW, on the other hand, seemed to be just reacting to LD's shots, at least most of the time. In the instances LCW was able to get quick points were when he controlled the shots and tempo; unfortunately, they were far few and in between. Also, in some instances, LCW showed little patience and that costed him a few errors.
Overall, it was a pretty good match w/lots of very interesting rallies.

Btw, i notice a couple of very close calls in that match, which if not mistaken occurred in the 2nd game. One of which, a line call from LCW's smash which i thought landed out but was given in favor of LCW, was really questionable.
cooler said:
...Now i read the new twist of whining is that LD can't win oversea.
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..he could win those overseas tourneys. It's just that he's had almost no success winning those in the SE Asia region; except the 2007 WC.
 
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