Malaysian Juniors 2009

Pemuda said:
On my lunch break now ...

We consider ourselves as a top badminton nation ... or we would like to think that we are a top badminton nation.

But ever wonder why the last time we won the Thomas Cup was back in 92?

Why till today we find that 1st Olympic gold and WC title elusive despite all the usual sabre rattling and chest thumping?

How come our shuttlers are not regular winners of the AE?

Put aside our current batch of seniors. It is the future we need to look at if we want to bring home the TC, Olympic gold, WC or AE titles on a regular and consistent basis.

The million $ question is are we selecting/training/investing the right junior shuttlers? Did we cast our net far and wide throughout every nook and corner of the country to select the best? Was the selection process objective?

I have nothing against Misbun' son, but I must say the boy is very ordinary thus I cant help but to question the selection or talent identification process.

Even though we bag the boys doubles title, the WJC exposed our shortcomings. The recently concluded WJC showed that our girls are of very poor quality. I will say it again, many will fade away and those who progressed to the senior level will be lambs for slaughter. As for the boys, again nothing really outstanding. I see a bunch of 'Protons'. We dont really have a star in the making.

Why is it that we keep on producing average shuttlers? We cant expect a Proton to compete against the BMWs or Mercedes out there.

For now, I must say the future is looking gloomy for Malaysian badminton. We just dont have the substance. We can either remain proud and not accept our shortcomings or we re-examine our policies/methods and make the change. And to change, we may need to look over our competitors' shoulders to see what is it that they are doing right.
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ha..ha...probably u r right now.

I hope u have the guts to apologise 2 when proven wrong... ok
 
Pemuda said:
I have nothing against Misbun' son, but I must say the boy is very ordinary thus I cant help but to question the selection or talent identification process.
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TWO (2) Reason for his selection.

1. You are who you know. Connection... Connection... Connection...

2. Genes, Sidek family consider to have good badminton genes! just like horse breeding.
 
SibugiChai said:
TWO (2) Reason for his selection.

1. You are who you know. Connection... Connection... Connection...

2. Genes, Sidek family consider to have good badminton genes! just like horse breeding.
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then those that lost to him in the selection should retired then:p
 
We finally found a solution!

SibugiChai said:
TWO (2) Reason for his selection.

1. You are who you know. Connection... Connection... Connection...

2. Genes, Sidek family consider to have good badminton genes! just like horse breeding.
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If thats the case, BAM & NSC (if need be get HH & KBH to help) should rush to the homes of Tan Aik Huang, Eddy Choong, Tan Yee Khan, Ng Boon Bee etc and very quickly extract sperm samples from these former greats!
 

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20 years or thereabouts from today ...

SibugiChai said:
Genes, Sidek family consider to have good badminton genes! just like horse breeding.
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After years of research & studies, Malaysia finally found the winning formula and solution to unlock & resolve decades of heartache, heartburn and diarrhoea of Bolehians in their quest to see a Malaysian shuttler finally winning the Olympic gold and WC. This phenomenal success is mainly due to the close corroboration between BAM, NSC, the National Sperm Institute and 1Malaysia Unity & Family Planning Institute headed by one Dr. Sibugi.

After numerous attempts at cross and in-breeding involving several local badminton champions, famous personalities and a couple of chimpanzees from the local Zoo, Dr. Sibugi finally found the complete shuttler.
 

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gemini12 said:
ha..ha...probably u r right now.

I hope u have the guts to apologise 2 when proven wrong... ok
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agree...hope what Pemuda think is wrong..i feel sad for his words,even Malaysian people like him don't have confidence on MAS players ,looking down on them.This is too different with INA fans.I always read comments from badminton fans at fb and also some INA forum ,they are very supportive .Even if the players lost,they keep cheering and motivating their players.Even VIta MArissa ,once she lost ,she will online and read those comments to motivate herself.It's fine because the comments are positive and Vita like her fans .Same goes to another INA players,no wonder they can wake up after the loss.I also be motivated when read those comments .I just can't imagine if MAS palyers like LCW,KKK n TBH go online and read those comments from Malaysian itself,how sad they are.It seems that they are not being appreciated for their hardwork .So,i must conclude here as MAlaysian we should continue supporting,cheering and motivating our players not just condemning like they don't have potential,better retired n bla..bla..Try to put ourself in that condition...IF Malaysian dun support the MAS players,who else to support MAS players.Another countries?It shameful the outsiders read those comments from MAlaysian itself condemning their own players like they are too good la..feel like to vomit..:mad:sorry this is what me and anotherr MAS fans think and had discussed among us .:cool:
 
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Hye isaura. Glad you have the courage to put forward what your heart says (akhem), because i don't. Truths are painful, sometimes. But that's what they are. And yes, one can always stand by their own judgement.

I am devoted (very .. :p) Malaysia fan. I can't expect people to behave like me, right?
Now, tell me you are seriously hoping Pemuda to change his mind??? *wink
Regardless what they say, i won't give up on our players, if they haven't give up on themselves.
 
isaura said:
agree...hope what Pemuda think is wrong..i feel sad for his words,even Malaysian people like him don't have confidence on MAS players ,looking down on them.This is too different with INA fans.I always read comments from badminton fans at fb and also some INA forum ,they are very supportive .Even if the players lost,they keep cheering and motivating their players.Even VIta MArissa ,once she lost ,she will online and read those comments to motivate herself.It's fine because the comments are positive and Vita like her fans .Same goes to another INA players,no wonder they can wake up after the loss.I also be motivated when read those comments .I just can't imagine if MAS palyers like LCW,KKK n TBH go online and read those comments from Malaysian itself,how sad they are.It seems that they are not being appreciated for their hardwork .So,i must conclude here as MAlaysian we should continue supporting,cheering and motivating our players not just condemning like they don't have potential,better retired n bla..bla..Try to put ourself in that condition...IF Malaysian dun support the MAS players,who else to support MAS players.Another countries?It shameful the outsiders read those comments from MAlaysian itself condemning their own players like they are too good la..feel like to vomit..:mad:sorry this is what me and anotherr MAS fans think and had discussed among us .:cool:
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I agree with you that we, Malaysians must support our own country sportsmen/women. BUT you need to know that support must not be blind.

I support Malaysia because I love my country, yes. Hell, I have even represented Malaysia in football at the U20 level. It was not easy, let me tell you then to balance books and training & playing football then.

You need to understand that while I support my country, I will also be honest with my opinions as well. If our shuttlers are poor and average, I will say they are poor and average. Sorry, I am not going to say the normal 'they are still young', 'they will try again' etc

Lets put aside all the Boleh charade and look at our boys and girls who just participated in the WJC recently. Look at our girls first, can you honestly tell me (remember ... please put aside all the Malaysia Boleh charade) whether any of our girls are world class shuttlers in the making?

Now what about our boys? Do you really see any potential star in the making? And when I say star in the making, I mean a potential champion, not our usual kampung champs. Look at Misbun's son. for example. Isnt the lad ordinary? Why is an ordinary shuttler representing us? What so special about Iskandar? He has no outstanding skills, short on stamina and was given the run around by the chinese boy in the final. As for our boys doubles champs, do you see anything special?

Bolehians need to understand when I criticise, it doesnt mean I dont support my country. I am sorry, it is not or never me to support for the sake of supporting. I will call a spade, a spade.

And please, dont compare us to the Indonesians. The Indonesians have a few Olympic gold medals, WCs and AEs in the cabinet. What do we have other than gold rings, earrings, bracelets?

As for LCW, KKK and TBH going online and be de-motivated, as national athletes if they cant accept critics, then they may as well be buddhist monks. You need to know, life is never fair. And as national athletes, they enjoy certain perks but at the same time are subject to public opinion. Plus, if our shuttlers are so easily de-motivated over some postings on the internet, it just tells me that they are a bunch who need to be constantly molly cuddled. How are we going to challenge for top honours when our shuttlers are weak mentally?
 
Pemuda said:
I agree with you that we, Malaysians must support our own country sportsmen/women. BUT you need to know that support must not be blind.

I support Malaysia because I love my country, yes. Hell, I have even represented Malaysia in football at the U20 level. It was not easy, let me tell you then to balance books and training & playing football then.

You need to understand that while I support my country, I will also be honest with my opinions as well. If our shuttlers are poor and average, I will say they are poor and average. Sorry, I am not going to say the normal 'they are still young', 'they will try again' etc

Lets put aside all the Boleh charade and look at our boys and girls who just participated in the WJC recently. Look at our girls first, can you honestly tell me (remember ... please put aside all the Malaysia Boleh charade) whether any of our girls are world class shuttlers in the making?

Now what about our boys? Do you really see any potential star in the making? And when I say star in the making, I mean a potential champion, not our usual kampung champs. Look at Misbun's son. for example. Isnt the lad ordinary? Why is an ordinary shuttler representing us? What so special about Iskandar? He has no outstanding skills, short on stamina and was given the run around by the chinese boy in the final. As for our boys doubles champs, do you see anything special?

Bolehians need to understand when I criticise, it doesnt mean I dont support my country. I am sorry, it is not or never me to support for the sake of supporting. I will call a spade, a spade.

And please, dont compare us to the Indonesians. The Indonesians have a few Olympic gold medals, WCs and AEs in the cabinet. What do we have other than gold rings, earrings, bracelets?

As for LCW, KKK and TBH going online and be de-motivated, as national athletes if they cant accept critics, then they may as well be buddhist monks. You need to know, life is never fair. And as national athletes, they enjoy certain perks but at the same time are subject to public opinion. Plus, if our shuttlers are so easily de-motivated over some postings on the internet, it just tells me that they are a bunch who need to be constantly molly cuddled. How are we going to challenge for top honours when our shuttlers are weak mentally?
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Some of the issue i agreed with u. I was at the hall when the WJC was played and what i saw was not as bad as u have said.

Why put a damper on these juniors and for crying out loud, these batch may be considered average to you but the world standard are there too. They managed to go final and they fight tooth and nail for it. Of course considered that Korean are not there and the best girl in China and Korea are not there but we are there.

You should learn from the european where their std may be below the asian but they supported their european team well.Dont be too harsh on these juniors and whether they can make it to senior level or not depends alot on the coaching they going to receive at the National level.Its not that we dont have talent. Look at Lydia and Wang Yihan now...u will understand

As for our girls standard, i think Pemuda, u r going to be surprised.

As for Misbun son, u will understand much later why he was choosen and i assure u it is nothing to do with the fact that the father is anational coach or the Sidek gene.. I can assure u that we see now is a natural talent that needed to be nurtured.

Pemuda, give these youngster a chance.
 
isaura said:
agree...hope what Pemuda think is wrong..i feel sad for his words,even Malaysian people like him don't have confidence on MAS players ,looking down on them.This is too different with INA fans.I always read comments from badminton fans at fb and also some INA forum ,they are very supportive .Even if the players lost,they keep cheering and motivating their players.Even VIta MArissa ,once she lost ,she will online and read those comments to motivate herself.It's fine because the comments are positive and Vita like her fans .Same goes to another INA players,no wonder they can wake up after the loss.I also be motivated when read those comments .I just can't imagine if MAS palyers like LCW,KKK n TBH go online and read those comments from Malaysian itself,how sad they are.It seems that they are not being appreciated for their hardwork .So,i must conclude here as MAlaysian we should continue supporting,cheering and motivating our players not just condemning like they don't have potential,better retired n bla..bla..Try to put ourself in that condition...IF Malaysian dun support the MAS players,who else to support MAS players.Another countries?It shameful the outsiders read those comments from MAlaysian itself condemning their own players like they are too good la..feel like to vomit..:mad:sorry this is what me and anotherr MAS fans think and had discussed among us .:cool:
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Pemuda said:
I agree with you that we, Malaysians must support our own country sportsmen/women. BUT you need to know that support must not be blind.

I support Malaysia because I love my country, yes. Hell, I have even represented Malaysia in football at the U20 level. It was not easy, let me tell you then to balance books and training & playing football then.

You need to understand that while I support my country, I will also be honest with my opinions as well. If our shuttlers are poor and average, I will say they are poor and average. Sorry, I am not going to say the normal 'they are still young', 'they will try again' etc

Lets put aside all the Boleh charade and look at our boys and girls who just participated in the WJC recently. Look at our girls first, can you honestly tell me (remember ... please put aside all the Malaysia Boleh charade) whether any of our girls are world class shuttlers in the making?

Now what about our boys? Do you really see any potential star in the making? And when I say star in the making, I mean a potential champion, not our usual kampung champs. Look at Misbun's son. for example. Isnt the lad ordinary? Why is an ordinary shuttler representing us? What so special about Iskandar? He has no outstanding skills, short on stamina and was given the run around by the chinese boy in the final. As for our boys doubles champs, do you see anything special?

Bolehians need to understand when I criticise, it doesnt mean I dont support my country. I am sorry, it is not or never me to support for the sake of supporting. I will call a spade, a spade.

And please, dont compare us to the Indonesians. The Indonesians have a few Olympic gold medals, WCs and AEs in the cabinet. What do we have other than gold rings, earrings, bracelets?

As for LCW, KKK and TBH going online and be de-motivated, as national athletes if they cant accept critics, then they may as well be buddhist monks. You need to know, life is never fair. And as national athletes, they enjoy certain perks but at the same time are subject to public opinion. Plus, if our shuttlers are so easily de-motivated over some postings on the internet, it just tells me that they are a bunch who need to be constantly molly cuddled. How are we going to challenge for top honours when our shuttlers are weak mentally?
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gemini12 said:
Some of the issue i agreed with u. I was at the hall when the WJC was played and what i saw was not as bad as u have said.

Why put a damper on these juniors and for crying out loud, these batch may be considered average to you but the world standard are there too. They managed to go final and they fight tooth and nail for it. Of course considered that Korean are not there and the best girl in China and Korea are not there but we are there.

You should learn from the european where their std may be below the asian but they supported their european team well.Dont be too harsh on these juniors and whether they can make it to senior level or not depends alot on the coaching they going to receive at the National level.Its not that we dont have talent. Look at Lydia and Wang Yihan now...u will understand

As for our girls standard, i think Pemuda, u r going to be surprised.

As for Misbun son, u will understand much later why he was choosen and i assure u it is nothing to do with the fact that the father is anational coach or the Sidek gene.. I can assure u that we see now is a natural talent that needed to be nurtured.

Pemuda, give these youngster a chance.
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now,there is three kind of opinion
to me
some might give out his/her opinion by just sitting infront of their laptop/desktop,watch a few live streaming tournament or just sit few hours infront astro 811/816
even it might be him/herself most honest opinion
but not mean that thats is the nearest to the TRUTH
there are many kind of people and many kind of view
the discusion will be just on and ongoing again because watching in the stadium and watching infront pc/tv is different thingy
 
As the newbie to this forum, and comment on this thread, i would say that Malaysian players need to be more discipline in order to c future OG/WC champion... Skill we have, but discipline makes the main difference from powerhouse China, INA, and Korean.

I was in the WJC 2009 too, even as part of the organizer. Frankly said, i did saw some MAS players are growing up, although there are quite some space to catch up with those champs. Surprisingly, even PHI and VIE players are actually catching up...

So, hopefully with the resources provided, MAS players can strive for success in the near future... Reminder, self-discipline is the key point to success...
 
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