So long as the flight of the shuttle is fairly predictable after it leaves the racket, then that's OK. I understand that "fairly" is a fuzzy word. Nothing is 100% predictable (chaos theory and all that ). If you trick someone with a flick serve or a wide serve, that's 100% fine.
Actually, now I'm really intrigued to find a slow mo clip of how LYD serves with a jab to destabilize the bird. Now I want to learn how to do this... although I may not be tall enough for it to work well...
But why are you (and Boe ) so focused on the unpredictable flight path? No where is it written that the serve must be predictable...
Because if it is highly unpredictable (like the S serve) then it gives an unfair advantage to the server. If it is not so haphazard so as to give an unfair advantage to the serve, then I'm OK with that. So like I said previously, if you can get "used" to the serve, then that's OK. You can't really get used to the S serve, which is one of the reasons it was banned.
I don't see how it is truly unpredictable as you are trying to argue. LYD has been doing it for quite awhile now. The danes have done well in their last match to leave the shuttle when it is falling short judgement wise after the whole delay and debacle in the first game. If they are able to judge a short shuttle on the same service action why do they have any reason to be butt hurt.
I don't know how truly unpredictable it is as it's hard to tell from the video. It'd be easier to know if you actually experience someone using it when you're receiving. I'm just saying that if it is unpredictable, then it would be an issue. Also, nothing excuses Boe for his outburst. He should get some sort of penalty, perhaps a ban from a few tournaments. At the very least they should forfeit any points earned from the tournament (if any?).
No guarantees but I'll try to find one for you. In fact, Yong-Dae is doing nothing different from the many players that slice the serve. The one noticeable difference is in the action. In LYD's case, his racquet goes down while his left arm goes up. (Oldhand goes hunting for a video....)
Interesingly - in the finals match, the third set, first service by LYD, Wei Hong mishit the return, then made a gesture that the shuttle was spinning weird. And GC commented about whether LYD has come up with some new service. In slow motion replay, the shuttle seems to tumble off his racquet over the net. [video=youtube;qr_dxYgDdeA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr_dxYgDdeA#t=13m27s[/video]
Yes, on Azzam's set. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0qOoxVup5gz-lMXjLQZAIniy1EvpGgKr but for some reason, G1 of MD not there.
Oic, badrad edited his post, now includes a video, starts from mid G2. Tks! (Frantically goes off to watch...) Edit... Ouch! It's very stuttery... giving me a headache just watching it for a few mins...
Super rough/grippy version of VS850 helping maybe? In a regular short serve, the shuttle will initially travel with the feathers facing forward, and then, once it reaches the top of the parabola, gravity does the rest and the shuttle descends with the cork down; if the shuttle is sliced hard enough to compensate for the weight difference of the cork, is it actually possible to cause it to backspin like a table tennis ball?
I did not see the match, but heard about it from my peers. I think something should be done. Unfortunately, service judge has no power on the court except for calling for service faults. A player saying things like this during a match, if the umpire hears, is an automatic red card, and the referee is summoned immediately and will decide whether they wish to black card the players. I think something needs to change. I recently officiated at an international tournament, I also had two European players complain about their opponents doing a double motion. They even cussed at me twice. Unfortunately, the umpire couldn't hear it, but they said the F word directed at me twice during the match. They only ended with a yellow (for continuous attempts to approach me/attempts to influencing me). The behavior of players like this is not acceptable. A yellow should not be the only consequence, at least a red card (and they get the $500 fine from BWF). I've also seen a video where Christina Pedersen was playing WD and she basically said the same thing to the umpire. She told her to learn English or something like that and insulted her after the end of the match and it was caught on the mic (this was a stream not from BWF though I believe). Surprisingly the umpire didn't card her at that time either.
S for the Sidek brothers , although they were likely not the originators, but from what I read, they were the poster boys for BWF to ban it.
Wow, Pedersen? But still, badminton umpires are considered safer than say, soccer referees, where some have been beaten or punched to death.
Will there be any action against Boe & Morgensen ? There is lot of discussion about legality and finer points about Korean serve. But what about on court behavior of Dens Boe & Morgensen. According to me they often argue with court officials, raise doubts on officials decisions, waste time, misbehave with officials and ridicule and insult officials. I have seen them doing this often and they have been rarely censured or acted upon. They seem to be getting away with their antics. Message going out is : 'it is normal and acceptable behavior'. I feel court officials should be impartial but strict and they should not tolerate misbehavior. Dens should have been warned at least with Yellow Card for their misconduct.
